Wgeorge11 wrote: Sounds like age discrimination to me. No one wants to live in a ghetto, but if a unit's clean, inspected, and well maintained, who cares. I'd rather be parked next to a personable, courteous old relic - man and RV - than a new $400k pusher with a nasty attitude. Besides, our permanent residents have more than enough restrictions, and RVing offers a unique migratory ecumenical experience. Let's not spoil this too.
Yes, it's "age discrimination" but it's NOT illegal in any way, shape, or form because it's not against a person.
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Wgeorge11 wrote: Sounds like age discrimination to me. No one wants to live in a ghetto, but if a unit's clean, inspected, and well maintained, who cares. I'd rather be parked next to a personable, courteous old relic - man and RV - than a new $400k pusher with a nasty attitude. Besides, our permanent residents have more than enough restrictions, and RVing offers a unique migratory ecumenical experience. Let's not spoil this too.
Yes, it's "age discrimination" but it's NOT illegal in any way, shape, or form because it's not against a person.
Yes it may be legal to set a 10 year rule............but I sure appreciate the comment of Wgeorge, why, the old relic-man is ME and I will try to be courteous in this "ecumenical experience" Wow, it would be nice to be able to string words together like the above. Nice man, this Wgeorge fellow.
I'll be glad to tell you what it is, or at least what started it. It's class warfare at it's finest.
Many times discrimination is hidden in a rule.
Least you think I jest, I have seen more that one instance of people moving from town to a new rural suburb. Lets say that across the road, is old farmer Browns place. Mr. Brown has lived there since 1946.
Now Mr Brown happens to have some old tractors and pickups around his barn. Not a trashy barnyard, but the equipment is there. For some reason the people at the new suburb have a problem with this. But they don't have the nerve (a common thing these days) to have the common sence to let Mr. Brown know that they have a problem.
So next thing you know, The county sends Mr. Brown a letter demanding them to move them. Never mind the fact they have been there for thirty years.
Nor do any of these people make an attempt to be a good neighbor to Mr. Brown. Besides, he's far too “hillbilly” of a fellow and quite beneath conversely, Mr. Brown is a man who would help anyone who needed it.
I am my RV travels, I meet all types of people. I also loath anyone who looks down on someone with an old rig. In some cases, that tired old RV may be the only thing keeping them from being homeless.
In a dead end job, RV life can actually help you achieve middle-class. By giving up some things,(room being the most) They can pocked money instead of giving it to a landlord.
I am NOT talking about troublemakers, drunks or druggies who have no intention if bettering themselves. Those people should be excluded or incarcerated. However, calling someone riff-raft based solely on rig appearance is by far short-sighted. Some of these people are the most friendly-out going people I have ever met. So what if they use their RV for work? At least they are trying, and not resorting to living off of welfare.
Why can't people live and let live??
Let me tell you a story about so-called -Riff-raft
IMHO, some of these people deserve to be helped, not excluded. I once parked next to a 1967 Ford Econoline motor home. That thing was a wreck. The campground wanted to kick them out because of the ugly blue tarp on the roof. The young couple had a newborn baby, and they were new to town. The husband had a new job, barely hanging on, but they had least had their foot in the door.
My farm was 250 miles away. On that farm, I had a 1976 Dodge Shasta Motor home in fairly good shape I could not find a buyer for. I called my brother, and asked him to start the old unit up, and drive it down here. I gave them that old motor home. It was junk to me, but vital to their survival in that town.They were shocked to say the least. It was a good feeling. But this is not the end of the story.
Three years later, I woke up and went outside to find a familiar shape in my driveway. There was my old Shasta! No worse for the wear, clean as a pin, new tires, the title in the front seat, and a envelope with a $500 check, and a thank you card. Seems these people had managed to save enough and were buying a house.Great! They didn't have to give that unit back, but they did!
So you see, for some people, RV'ing is not only for recreation. Campgrounds also know this, and some of them try to stop them. They know that struggling people cannot buy a less than 10 year old Rig. They fear that these people may have trouble with the rent, so they cater more to people who “have it together”
I'd rather boondock the rest of my life than cater to a CG who would exclude the common working person. I'd rather be camped next to the Clampetts any day than the jerk in the diesel pusher who does nothing but sit in his captains chair and looks down on the rest of us like it was a royal throne. Besides, The hillbillies would help me if someone tried to rob me. All the guy in the Diesel pusher would do is call the office and complain about the noise!!!
So instead of complaining about that old unsightly rig next to you, if you REALLY want to improve the situation, why don't you give them your old one and help your fellow man? Old rigs have very little value, and it would be more appreciated by a needy person than the dealer, who will most likely scrap it anyway.
Who'd a thought there was still fire in this old thread.
Welcome aboard Tempola. It's always good to hear new voices/views in this wilderness, especially optimistic ones.
I've run into this rule before, I've also run into
"no pets"
"no kids"
"no canvas"
etc.
I would rather know than not know. If a camp ground is for old people and they don't want kids, I want to know up front instead of camping there and feeling uncomfortable because everyone at the pool is whining because my kids are having a good time. Likewise, a campground that is catering to families and has kids stay for free, I want to know that so I can stay there and feel relaxed about it.
I have found that places like that are places that I wouldn't want to be anyway, so I head on down the road. I honestly don't see the big deal.
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less RV sites X more RV's = higher prices
sometimes much higher.
as you move to the parks 5 miles farther away they become busier and can charge more, maybe adopt more rules like this. you then have to move 10 miles away.
I am not as good as most at expressing myself as many here, but what is so hard to understand.
Ok, so you are talking about less campgrounds due to development. Again, no one can force the owner of their land to do something with it they don't want to. I understand what you are saying, and yes, if development keeps up at this rate, most likely campground owners will feel the need to sell out. But there is NOTHING you or I can do about it.
Tell the people that were just forced off of THEIR land to build a Nissan plant just north of where I live. That land had been in their family for many years. Developement/Government said they have to pack their things and get out. If you don't like the price they offer, they might offer a little more, but you WILL get out.
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I have posted this pic before, after I took it of a camper that was paying by the month, across from me. They had an old, crappy looking camper, with trash for occupants. They would allow their garbage to blow all over the campground, including my lot. They would simply kick trash out of their way rather than pic it up and finally, after enough people complained, were evicted.
Can't speak for others, but aside from being pretty busy from all the garage sale stuff visible and on display, I find your pic distractingly acceptable. The color scheme looks more Baja than northern, but then that's my bias. Perhaps someone picked up the trash? I suspect moderation goes a long way to acceptability, and after seeing others get over their hangups, I find some folks are willing to accept me as I am without concern for my luggage or peccadilloes.
That fifth wheel you posted dosen't look all that bad. But I would have few suggestions for that unit, as I could make it look far better in less than a day.
Take a beige canvass, (not a tarp, tarps are ugly) hang it around the overhang, and put the bike and loose objects out of sight. the overhang makes a great utility area.
It is amazing what a coat of paint would do for for that unit. it looks very solid and square. that broken window could also be fixed in 15 min.
I have no control over the action of those campers, but I wonder how many people just had a friendly talk with THEM before bi*ching to the management??? not one Ill bet.
I see clutter, where is the trash? did it blow away?
was this their primary residence or did you bother to ask?
I come from a rural area in Kentucky. We helped each other. it wouldn't have hurt anything to get some men together and paint that unit. It could have been done in an evening.
Perhaps I'm a relic, and helping your neighbor is an alien concept to some people. Give the people a hand up, not a hand-out.
Now let's see a picture of your rig and site. and just what prompted you to take that photo in the first place?
Wow, what a fascinating topic. I noticed that some felt compelled to remind us that these private campgrounds can, by the virtue of our capitalistic system of ownership, set whatever rules they wish. Others find fault with the rules, and make obviously good points.
All this has been repeated at least twice in the thread, in words and vocabulary better than my energy level would inspire.
But I wanted to say what nobody else seems to say... That the rules don't work well, and that there's often some kind of reasoning behind the rule, some somewhat arrogant, some sensible, some not thought out.
But this symptom is spread far and wide. And worse, it has permeated every facet of our society. I lay the blame for it at the feet of lawyers, politicians, and those who presume to take the role of leadership upon themselves. And no, I'm not going to rant about politics...
I can't remember the day that I synthesized this thought. But it was one of those things I muttered under my breath in disgust at something, and found myself repeating it enough I suddenly began to say out loud and actually consciously recognize routinely.
We are a society that has become afraid of judgement. Not a judge's proclaimation... but the power and responsibility to make a wise decision.
Let's examine a few examples of this.
A high school girl gets expelled for having Midol in her purse... Reason? A "no tolerance drug policy".
A little boy gets in trouble at school because he drew a soldier and a gun. Reason? He is "promoting violence".
The local school actually has a list of measurements to use to "approve" or "disapprove" clothes. They have a set of precise measurements. Girls can be sent home for a quarter inch "infraction". There's an 1/8 inch between "perfectly fine" and "immodest".
These are real. Very real.
And more and more of this absolutely absurd stupidity goes on and on, intruding into more and more of our lives. It comes from every aspect of our society. Government, school, and, now you recognize, private enterprise.
Why? Because we have become enamored with the notion of substituting detailed policy for judgement. School administrators would rather stain a girl's academic record and cause her great stress, than to use judgement in deciding what is allowed and what isn't. I often say these are "people without courage in positions of power".
This simplistic nonsense permeates everything. The science about climate change is VERY complex and VERY imprecise and VERY uncertain. Yet, laws and rules of absolutely HORRIBLE design and thinking are implemented because we "have to solve global warming".
Lots of people argue that "the debate is over". Since when is science a 'debate' to be 'won' or 'lost'? I thought science was a methodology to research, analyze and extend knowledge and understanding, constantly subject to revision as knowledge increases.
Again, no matter what you think on the topic, people aren't comfortable with this being a matter of judgement... they want to force whatever wild ideas they think up on everyone else. In other words, they want their judgement forced on others...without having to defend it.
So, how does this work with a campground?
What if you drove into a campground and the sign out front said:
"We expect you to behave, act, clean up, maintain your rv, and be as polite and respectful to everyone else as we want you to be, and if you're not any one of those things, we'll evict you."
I'd predict that almost everyone would consider that sign for a bit and then immediately consider leaving for somewhere else. They don't want to live, subject to someone else's ... JUDGEMENT...
But if there's no sign out front that says that... that is ACTUALLY what the campground management is doing. But people don't want to be held to defend that judgement, and so they make arbitary, and often utterly absurd rules, that give them something to hide behind, so they get to avoid having thier judgement questioned and avoid actually having to use it.
The school administrator is unwilling to say "I think it's ok for a girl to take Midol, but not to smoke pot or take amphetamines". I think all reasonable people would agree with it, but someone, somewhere, is going to confront this person and say "What, you think your judgement is superior to mine? How dare you!" So, they hide, unflinchingly, behind horrible policy. They teach our kids to be complete hypocrites and to be dishonest.
I've decided to be a one man campaign to restore judgement and accountability. I'm willing to say that if I say something's bad, or should not be allowed, and if you disagree with me, then you're actually wrong, and I'm not. And that's my judgement. And I'll defend it. And more importantly, I get in the face of administrators, owners, and so on, and try to get them to face up to being responsible and exercising judgement.
So, maybe RV'ers should engage CG owners and operators who have these kind of gutless policies, and perhaps start insisting to them that they actually engage in judgement. That they take ownership and personal responsibility. That perhaps they should stop listing to the lawyers, and actually "risk" making real judgements about what is and what is not acceptable. After all, it's never to late to hone one's decisionmaking and judgement capabilities...
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