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Posted By: till82 on 07/17/07 05:58pm

I've heard conflicting reports - is it safe to burn treated lumber in a campfire? Appreciate any input!

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Posted By: Fire Instructor on 07/17/07 06:03pm

Simple answer - NO!
And the answer becomes NO, NO, NO, NO!!!! if you intend to cook on it.

The chemicals used to pressure treat wood release a carcinogenic smoke when burned.


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Posted By: scbwr on 07/17/07 06:03pm

Not good for you or the environment....that's what I understand. Burning releases chemicals into the air. I'm no scientist....just what I've been told.


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Posted By: Shotgun on 07/17/07 06:03pm

I don't do it. I do not want to breath that junk. To many ways to get free wood to worry about taking the chance.


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Posted By: mockturtle on 07/17/07 06:04pm

No, not for cooking OR for breathing!


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Posted By: butterfly girl on 07/17/07 06:06pm

Also...don't use the fire logs...the have chemicals in them...the stink when they burn


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Posted By: Gdetrailer on 07/17/07 06:07pm

NO!!!!

Are you crazy? Treated lumber are treated arsnic(sp)it is a POISON!

It must be disposed of properly, that means no burning period!

It should have a warning tag on the ends of each board, I would suggest you read it carefully.

Go to Lowes or Home Depot and read the Material Safety sheets that are required to be posted around the treated lumber area in the store.


Posted By: Litch on 07/17/07 06:08pm

Here is another vote for NO. Somebody at our duck club threw some in by mistake once and believe me it was not pleasant.


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Posted By: till82 on 07/17/07 06:12pm

I guess that pretty much sums it up! Appreciate the fast responses.


Posted By: Radio on 07/17/07 06:13pm

The old style pressure treated wood contains arsnic. Enough said about that. Railroad ties and telephone poles contain creosote which is toxic and will make you highly unfavored by your neighbors from the stink, eye and lung irritation.

I'm not too sure about the new stuff, such as YellaWood, but to be on the safe side I'd rather not burn it. Instead, I'd likely be making leveling blocks or jack pads out of it.

Ordinary kiln dried construction lumber that is not treated is fine.

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Posted By: RPierce on 07/17/07 06:15pm

Definitely not. Do a google search on "burning treated lumber. The older treated lumber was treated with chromated copper arsenate. The newer lumber is treated with a somewhat less toxic chemical. The chemicals in the wood are released when it burns.


Posted By: cm on 07/17/07 07:46pm

The older treated lumber with arsenic is labeled CCA.

The new treatment is usually ACQ. No arsenic but more corrosive and probably not a good idea to burn it.


Posted By: Gdetrailer on 07/17/07 07:51pm

Radio writes "The old style pressure treated wood contains arsnic."

GDE says, down in Georgia maybe they don't sell the same version, in the North East, it does contain arsnic. I bought some 4x4s about a yr ago, they had labels attached that state in no uncertain terms that it contains arsnic.

Any chemically treated lumber must be handled properly, use respirator mask, gloves when cutting. Wash your hands after handling fresh treated lumber. Do not burn.

When using for outdoor play equipment it should be sealed with a sealer or painted.

By the way burning pine is not recommended for cooking food on, the pitch in pine turns toxic when burned.

Oak, cherry, apple, maple would be very good for cooking foods over.


Posted By: JJBIRISH on 07/17/07 08:03pm

there is going to be a lot of toxic people walking around here.
most are burning and cooking on slab wood (hemlock) from the Amish saw mills around here. the Amish cook, bake, and heat their homes with it to.


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Posted By: rockroll on 07/17/07 08:09pm

NO! NO! Unless you want cancer. It's cancerous!!!!


Posted By: JJBIRISH on 07/17/07 11:28pm

rockroll wrote:

NO! NO! Unless you want cancer. It's cancerous!!!!


trust me.
cooking on a wood fire,
isn't the worse thing I have done
to ruin this body,
through the years.

don't think I would trade
all of those experiences
for a few more years either.
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Posted By: jimcatinmi on 07/18/07 04:30am

I would not do it. I did it once and the smoke was GREEN!that can't be good.


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Posted By: sandstravels on 07/18/07 05:56am

Gdetrailer wrote:


Any chemically treated lumber must be handled properly, use respirator mask, gloves when cutting. Wash your hands after handling fresh treated lumber. Do not burn.


Excellent advice. I handled treated lumber and wood preserving chemicals unprotected for years in a past career. I'm now fighting Lymphoma and I'm almost positive it was from this time frame.


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Posted By: scbwr on 07/18/07 06:57am

JJBIRISH wrote:

rockroll wrote:

NO! NO! Unless you want cancer. It's cancerous!!!!


trust me.
cooking on a wood fire,
isn't the worse thing I have done
to ruin this body,
through the years.

don't think I would trade
all of those experiences
for a few more years either.
what good is a long life
if you haven't lived.


The discussion is about burning pressure treated lumber! No one is saying not to cook over a wood fire!


Posted By: Litch on 07/18/07 08:17am

JJBIRISH wrote:

rockroll wrote:

NO! NO! Unless you want cancer. It's cancerous!!!!


trust me.
cooking on a wood fire,
isn't the worse thing I have done
to ruin this body,
through the years.

don't think I would trade
all of those experiences
for a few more years either.
what good is a long life
if you haven't lived.


I'll send you as much treated wood you want. Let us know how everything tastes, I guess it could add a little "spice" to the meal.


Posted By: JJBIRISH on 07/18/07 10:10am

one poster said only hard wood that pine smoke is toxic.
"By the way burning pine is not recommended for cooking food on, the pitch in pine turns toxic when burned."


I referenced many here cook using hemlock from Amish saw mills (not a hard wood)
and according to the one post would be toxic.
and was said tongue in cheek.

sorry for the misunderstanding I caused by not quoting the other post.

I agree with all the post on treated wood and is the original topic

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Posted By: Lug on 07/18/07 03:44pm

I've worked at lumber yard for 18 years and had a few bouts with skin problems on my hands from handling CCA lumber. I asked our treated lumber vendor about burning it, and he said the ashes are the biggest danger. Don't burn it.


Posted By: murffdog on 07/18/07 05:00pm

I can't believe that anyone would ask such a question.


Posted By: DRudd on 07/18/07 06:04pm

murffdog wrote:

I can't believe that anyone would ask such a question.


Personally, I am glad they did. It's the folks that don't ask questions that I can't believe.

Show me a person about whom we say, "I can't believe they actually did that", and I'll show you a person that didn't ask first.

Anne and Mike, keep the questions coming, that is what the forum is supposed to be about


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Posted By: mowermech on 07/18/07 08:34pm

Personally, I won't burn treated wood in a campfire. I also won't use painted wood, or varnished wood.
I do, however, use pine for cooking. Once it has burned down to charcoal (or "coals"), the pitch has burned away. I have often toasted marshmallows and hotdogs over pine coals, no problem. But then, it isn't like we have much choice in the mountains of the West side of the state. It is pretty tough to find anything other than pine to burn.
Well, OK, we also have fir, spruce, and cedar.


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Posted By: Oilman on 07/18/07 08:51pm

murffdog wrote:

I can't believe that anyone would ask such a question.


I cant believe anyone would reply with such an answer.


Posted By: rescuediver on 07/18/07 09:48pm

Oilman wrote:

murffdog wrote:

I can't believe that anyone would ask such a question.


I cant believe anyone would reply with such an answer.


Agree. Nothing wrong with trying to gather more information if you do not know.

When I worked as a boating safety officer, I crashed a party, while there, it was discovered they were burning treated posts from signs they tore down. Shortly there after, I had problems breathing and had an allergic reaction to by the way of a rash on my exposed skin. Do yourself and everyone around you a favor and don't burn anything that has been treated.


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Posted By: till82 on 07/19/07 02:33pm

Again, I appreciate all (almost all) of the comments! Thanks for the response. Guess I' find something else to do with the scraps....


Posted By: WNC-RV on 07/19/07 02:40pm

No, don't burn. Be safe. Happy Camping!!!!


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Posted By: travellerw on 07/19/07 03:56pm

Ok I just have to reply..

I asked myself the same question after I built a fence and 2 decks and had a bunch of cutoffs left over.

I did the logical thing and called the manufacturer. Here is what they stated.

The old pressure treated lumber "CCA" will release harmful chemicals into the air when burned and should not be burned ever.

The new pressure treated lumber "ACQ" does not release any harmful chemicals into the air when burned, but the ashes become toxic as the chemicals don't burn and are concentrated. They recommended that "ACQ" lumber be disposed of in the regular landfill and not be burned.

As an aside. ACQ is the only pressure treated lumber sold in Canada as of January 2006 unless its specially ordered. CCA lumber can still be ordered for things like wood basements and marine use. If you have some lumber and would like to tell if its ACQ or CCA then the only simple way is by the color when its aged. CCA lumber will generally fade back to the woods natural color. ACQ lumber will turn gold/yellow first and then fade to grey.

Anyway hope this helps.


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