rj_winger
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Question: I've just heard that Arizona is inforcing a .18/per gallon or $1000.00 fine if you fuel up using the wrong pumps.
The warning was seen posted at a Flying J (at he RV pumps) in Arizona by the ADOT - Motor Vehicle Division:
WARNING
Fuel dispensed from this pump can only be placed directly into the fuel tank of the following vehicle types:
Less than 3 axles, and
Declared Gross Vehicle Weight under 26,001 LBS, or
Exempt under ARS 28-5432 (school buses, government and non-profit)
DO NOT dispense fuel from this pump into a bulk storage tank, or the fuel tank of the following vehicles:
3 or more axles, and/or
Declared Gross Vehicle Weight of more than 26,000 LBS
The fine is .18/cent per gallon or $1000.00 whichever is greater. For a second offense it could be double the fine. What I take this to mean is that most of us Diesel Class A RV's have a Delared Gross Vehicle Weight of over 26,000 LBS an we'll have to fill up at truck stops or at the truck pumps at Flying J.
Does anyone know why Arizona has posted this warning and fine?
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moisheh
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Rod: In AZ " car diesel "is cheaper than over the road diesel. That fine is for large trucks filling up at the car pumps. You do not have to be concerned. This is not new.
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flhtci-rider
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the key wording is
"Exempt under ARS 28-5432 (school buses, government and non-profit)"
NON PROFIT
I'm guessing is there is a tax on commercial use in that state and truckers /commercial units wee trying to avoid the tax.
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rv2go
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I have not seen this posting...yet. I do know that in AZ, there is a price difference between auto diesel and the price at the truck pumps. I was thinking it was 8 or 9 cents. The Fling J RV pumps are the same as the auto price. Also, it is my understanding that if you fuel your RV at the Truck pumps, you do not get the Auto Diesel price.
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Capt. Jack
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Here is a link that explains the tax on fuel in AZ.
http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/FuelTaxEvasion/ConsumerInformation.ASP
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rv2go
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Thanks for posting this Jack. I was denied the tax refund once. Never used the truck pumps again.
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Here is a copy of the exempt vehicles in AZ: LONG
Gross weight fees; application; exceptions
A. This article applies to all of the following:
1. A trailer or semitrailer with a gross weight of ten thousand pounds or less.
2. A motor vehicle or vehicle combination if the motor vehicle or vehicle combination is designed, used or maintained primarily for the transportation of passengers for compensation or for the transportation of property.
3. A hearse, an ambulance or any other vehicle that is used by a mortician in the conduct of the mortician's business.
B. This article does not apply to:
1. A vehicle commonly referred to as a station wagon or to a vehicle commonly known as and referred to by the manufacturer's rating as a three-quarter ton or less pickup truck or three-quarter ton or less van unless such a vehicle is maintained and operated more than one thousand hours in a vehicle registration year for the transportation of passengers or property in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise. An applicant requesting title or registration of a motor vehicle in the name of a commercial enterprise shall pay the fees imposed by this article unless the applicant certifies on the application that the vehicle will not be maintained and operated in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise.
2. A trailer or semitrailer with a declared gross weight of less than six thousand pounds, if the trailer or semitrailer is not used in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise.
C. The following motor vehicles, trailers and semitrailers are exempt from the gross weight fee prescribed in section 28-5433:
1. A motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer that is owned and operated by a religious institution and that is used exclusively for the transportation of property produced and distributed for charitable purposes without compensation. For the purposes of this paragraph, "religious institution" means a recognized organization that has an established place of meeting for religious worship and that holds regular meetings for that purpose at least once each week in at least five cities or towns in this state.
2. A motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer that is owned and operated by a nonprofit school that is recognized as being tax exempt by the federal or state government if the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer is used exclusively for any of the following:
(a) The transportation of pupils in connection with the school curriculum.
(b) The training of pupils.
(c) The transportation of property for charitable purposes without compensation.
3. A motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer that is owned by a nonprofit organization in this state that presents to the department a form approved by the director of the division of emergency management pursuant to section 26-318.
4. A vehicle that is owned and operated only for government purposes by a foreign government, a consul or any other official representative of a foreign government, by the United States, by a state or political subdivision of a state or by an Indian tribal government.
5. A motor vehicle that is privately owned and operated exclusively as a school bus pursuant to a contract with a school district. If a privately owned and operated school bus is temporarily operated for purposes other than those prescribed in the definition of school bus in section 28-101, the registering officer shall assess and collect a monthly gross weight fee equal to one-tenth of the annual gross weight fee prescribed by section 28-5433 for each calendar month that the motor vehicle is so operated in this state. The registering officer shall not apportion the gross weight fee for a fraction of a calendar month.
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When I fill up at Flying J in AZ--example would be at the CA/AZ border--I use the truck pumps because the RV pumps are always full with long lines. What I do is have my wife go inside and them them we are a 'private coach' and they then give me the lower RV (or car) diesel price AND also my 1 cent discount for using the Flying J rewards card. I did the same thing in my cross country trip last year at ALL Flying J's from AZ to the east coast and in all cases they honored the lower price. HOWEVER, the same was NOT true at PETRO, LOVES, and other truck stop stations. At those stations if I used the truck pumps they made me pay the truck price. That is ONE of the reasons I always try to use Flying J--they just seem so much 'RV friendly' than the other diesel truck stops.
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J-Rooster
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Here in Washington State there's two types of fuel available, Highway diesel, and Off Road diesel (which is way cheaper no tax), in Washington State the Off Road diesel is required to have a dye in it (green color)that way our Queen (Gov. Gregoire) and her Army (Washington State Patrol), can severly punish you for using the wrong fuel at Pacific Pride. John
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dons2346
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rv2go wrote: Also, it is my understanding that if you fuel your RV at the Truck pumps, you do not get the Auto Diesel price.
Not so. If FJ is made aware that you are a private vehicle either by the use of the FJ Frequent Fueler card or notification at the fuel desk, you will not be charged the extra tax. Been doing it since '99 and have never been charged the extra road tax.
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