I have a Classic 2007 2500HD D/A LBZ CC SB 4X4.
On the door jam it says 2,369 lbs max for cargo & occupants
The owners manual says max pin weight is 3,000 lbs
The sales brochure says 3,317 lbs max payload include driver, passenger, optional equipment & cargo.
I am wanting to purchase a 5th wheel with a dry weight of 10,530 w/14,200 gvwr. The pin is 2,230 lbs dry.
The rear tires are rated for 6,084 combined.
If you think I am ok, good. If not, should I:
#1 beef up suspension - how?
#2 add higher rated tires?
#3 anything else?
The numbers on your door jam are for YOUR truck. The ones on the brochure are for an OPTIMALLY equipped truck and the owners manual is usually a generic manual based on STANDARD configuration not ACTUAL limits. Diesel engines are very heavy and are OPTIONS so they are NOT considered in brochures, advertising blurbs or owners manuals unless they SPECIFY diesel engines. With the 6.0 engine which is the STANDARD engine in your truck AND the optimal configuration the maximums would be the correct numbers. As with ANY towing ratings the details are IMPORTANT. Knowing what someone else does is meaningless because they're not driving YOUR truck. Good luck / Skip
Concerning your statement from the brochure: Check again and I bet it actually says it does NOT include optional equipment. How would they have any way of knowing what options you'd even HAVE on your truck. They'd have to have a different brochure for every combination a customer could select.
Kathryn's Fate wrote: I have a Classic 2007 2500HD D/A LBZ CC SB 4X4.
On the door jam it says 2,369 lbs max for cargo & occupants
The owners manual says max pin weight is 3,000 lbsSend the truck back to the dealer. Ask them to remove the heavy options, like 4x4 and diesel engine. When it comes back with a 2WD and 6L gas engine, it will be 800 pounds lighter, and can handle the 3,000 pounds of cargo.
The sales brochure says 3,317 lbs max payload include driver, passenger, optional equipment & cargo. My guess: For a gas engine equipped truck?
I am wanting to purchase a 5th wheel with a dry weight of 10,530 w/14,200 gvwr. The pin is 2,230 lbs dry.
The rear tires are rated for 6,084 combined.
If you think I am ok, good. If not, should I:
#1 beef up suspension - how?
#2 add higher rated tires?
#3 anything else? You did not mention trading in for a heavier rated truck, so I guess that is out?
Thanks.
I think this is the fifth time I answered this question in the past month! Don't feel bad, you are not alone.
Some write in before making a purchase, and are told "No Way, Get a Dually for that kind of load" - but about 1/2 write in saying I wanna tow this with the truck I just bought!
So try looking at these very nice fifth wheels that have the fresh water tank mounted near the axles, so they don't have such heavy pin weights.
They have some 35' fifth wheels with only 2,000 - 2,200 pound hitch weights. I met someone who full times in one with a dually Ford. They used to have a heavier trailer, now their truck is to heavy duty for the load they tow.
I know a couple that tows one with a 3500 single rear wheel GM too. They re very happy with it.
Ford has much higher cargo ratings on it's 2005 and later trucks. The F-250 has a 10,000 pound GVWR with heavy options like diesel engine and crewcab, so it can still carry about 3,000 pounds. The F-350 SRW can carry about 4,000 pounds, while the dually is close to 5,300 pounds.
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YOU really need to decide what numbers YOU want to adhere to. If it is going to be the GVWR on the door post, fine, that is 9200 pounds. If YOU want to adhere to another rating, that is YOUR decision. The truck will weigh in ready to camp configuration right at 7500 pounds. Pick the number YOU want and go from there. Personally 9200 is a good number. Many will argue that you can load to something else, and that is their right to do so. I will NOT advise you to load above the GVWR. Remember also that pin weight will be 20% of a fivers GVWR number.
Hey Skip, thanks for the reply. The 2369 does not apply to me because I will have a 5th wheel pin. You can go heavier due to even distribution of the pin. YOU need to know the facts before you post. Please reread my post and you will see that my post says the 3317 needs to include all else, the same thing you are trying to say.
Thanks donn, You could be right. The 9200gvwr minus 5800 truck weight leaves 3400 for pin plus driver, passengers and cargo. Looks as if it could work.
I got rid of a Challenger 29RKP because of the pin weight (2,480# dry) was pulling it with a 3/4 ton Ford. Remember dry means no propane, water, or options, the truck pulled it stoped it, but when it came to irregularities in the road, bumps, dips, ect the trailer took over and started pushing it's weight around. My advice, don't fish around until you get the answer you want to hear, weigh all responses. JMHO
The 9200gvwr minus 5800 truck weight leaves 3400 for pin plus driver, passengers and cargo. Looks as if it could work.
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Your truck weighs 9,200 minus 2,369 =6,831 with a full tank and nobody in it and an empty box. Read your driver's manual on what those numbers all mean.
Now put say two people (That's GM people weighing 150 each) and a dog (50) in the cab for 350lbs, and a 200lb hitch in the box. This leaves
2,369 minus 550lbs = 1,819 for the pin wt to reach truck GVWR. You have a crew cab so does that mean you have more than two people in the cab? Even less for pin wt.
If 1,819 is the usual 20% of the trailer's wt, then your truck can handle a 5er weight of 9,095lbs before reaching truck GVWR. of course you will still have lots of room left in the GCWR for pulling power, but you can't use it without going over the GVWR.
You can decide what to do from there, but you are wrong to be in denial about what the numbers are.
The only way to get the real numbers is to weigh the truck with full fuel, normal load of passengers,hitch, tools, and any cargo that will be carried in the truck. Subtract that weight from the GVWR and that will be your max allowed pin weight.
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I fully agree with skipnchar. For your truck the 2,369 lbs max for cargo & occupants applies. Your truck with the D/A option is going to weigh in between 6600# and 7000# empty (not 5800#)
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