Kathryn's Fate wrote: Hey Skip, thanks for the reply. The 2369 does not apply to me because I will have a 5th wheel pin. You can go heavier due to even distribution of the pin. YOU need to know the facts before you post. Please reread my post and you will see that my post says the 3317 needs to include all else, the same thing you are trying to say.
Golden, you are misinformed as well.
Thanks for trying.
Don't know where you are getting your information. The number on the door sticker is for THAT truck. Skip is 100% correct. If you put 3317# in that truck you will be 1000# over weight.
Kathryn's Fate wrote: Thanks donn, You could be right. The 9200gvwr minus 5800 truck weight leaves 3400 for pin plus driver, passengers and cargo. Looks as if it could work.
Your truck weighs 6831...you take the GVWR of 9200 and subtract the cargo capacity of 2369. There is not a 3/4 ton diesel truck around that could handle 3400 of pin weight.
I think more people than you understand the numbers, your going to be VERY overload on your truck using the numbers you THINK are not applying to you.
Kathryn's Fate wrote: Hey Skip, thanks for the reply. The 2369 does not apply to me because I will have a 5th wheel pin. You can go heavier due to even distribution of the pin. YOU need to know the facts before you post. Please reread my post and you will see that my post says the 3317 needs to include all else, the same thing you are trying to say.
Golden, you are misinformed as well.
Thanks for trying.
Stacey Frank
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'04 PT Turbo
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Kathryn's Fate wrote: "I have a Classic 2007 2500HD D/A LBZ CC SB 4X4.
On the door jam it says 2,369 lbs max for cargo & occupants........"
Thanks.
Hi Kathryn,
If possible, weigh your truck with full tank(s) and with you inside for an accurate vehicle weight.
Subract this figure from your truck's GVWR posted on the door, and you'll have a figure to begin working with for figuring cargo capacities, pin weight, etc. (also remember...there'll be weight added when a 5th. wheel hitch is installed).
Even if air-bags, shocks, tires and springs are added/upgraded, (which is frequently suggested as a "cure-all"), the GVWR will not change.
My $.02 only....
Good Luck....enjoy the journey(s)....
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"HUTCH" '07 SILVERADO 3500HD 'CLASSIC' DRW - CC - 4 X 4
'07 NEW HORIZONS 34' 5th.Wheel 'MotoMover'
'06 HONDA 106hp.VTX1800 w/'HANNIGAN' Sidecar
Owners manual states that for MY truck king pin weight 3,000 lb max. This is due to the even distribution of the weight. If you load randomly, occupants & cargo, 2,369 lb is the max weight.
I admit that I was off on my truck weight, closer to 6,000 lbs most likely. I will weigh it.
Kathryn's Fate wrote: Owners manual states that for MY truck king pin weight 3,000 lb max. This is due to the even distribution of the weight. If you load randomly, occupants & cargo, 2,369 lb is the max weight.
I admit that I was off on my truck weight, closer to 6,000 lbs most likely. I will weigh it.
Kathryn,(?) please take note of what others have said. The 3000# pin load is the MAXIMUM for a stripped empty regular cab 2WD 6.0L gas truck. The owners' manual is a generic document for guidance ONLY, it is not custom printed for each truck built. Note the use of the word "Maximum".
The number you are getting off your door IS the payload for YOUR truck, specifically calculated at build time based on the equipment on your truck.
That includes the pin weight of the trailer and the hitch no matter how you distribute it.
Load higher than that and you WILL be overloaded per manufacturer's ratings. It's your choice to make.
I have a similar truck, except it is 2WD which ups my payload to 385# more than yours. I have BTDT, including being overloaded. I now have a lighter fiver.
My truck empty (no driver, 5 gals or so of fuel) is 6450#. Due to the 4WD yours will be AT LEAST 385# more than that. And that's before you add the hitch, a box liner, bed cover, driver, passengers, pets, luggage, tools etc etc.
So deduct (6450+385) from 9200 and you get 2365#. REAL close to the number on your truck.
My credibility? Check my sig - before I retired I was manager of a group of people who created Owner's manuals AND the computer labels on your door.
Keith J, Retired from GM Engineering
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLE 2WD/CC/SB/DA.
1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS Fiver
Bilsteins, Line-X, Westin steps, Prodigy, Retrax, 16K Superglide, 5th-Airborne pin-box, Multi-vex mirrors.
Kathryn's Fate wrote: Hey Skip, thanks for the reply. The 2369 does not apply to me because I will have a 5th wheel pin. You can go heavier due to even distribution of the pin. YOU need to know the facts before you post. Please reread my post and you will see that my post says the 3317 needs to include all else, the same thing you are trying to say.
Golden, you are misinformed as well.
Thanks for trying.
I will try to help. I have a similar truck to yours and I pull a 36' Montana.
Forget what the sales brochures and owners manual says. Those numbers are for a base 3 passenger regular cab work truck, 2wd, no options, gas engine and 150# driver. That's the way advertising works. Its not customer friendly.
First, the weight stated on your door of 2369# is exactly correct for your truck. It takes into account the options ordered on your truck. Then, of course, you have to subtract from 2369# the weight of all occupants, misc. cargo, 5ver hitch, tool box, etc. that you carry in the truck. The remainder is your allowable pin weight. You will probably exceed your trucks 9200# GVWR.
However, here are some things you can do to help this situation.
1. Balance your cargo in your 5ver to minimize your hitch pin weight. In my 5ver, carrying a full tank of water reduces my pin weight because my tank is near the back of the 5ver. I also store my heavy cargo in the back of the 5ver. This keeps my pin weight at the low end of the acceptable range at 15%.
2. Remove your tailgate and use a net if you need something to close your bed. Remove your class 3 hitch if you don't use it. This will increase your allowable pin weight by about 100#. Last resort, remove your rear bumper also, another 50# for pin weight.
If you are still exceeding your GVWR and want to continue with this truck, take heart, you are probably not exceeding your rear gross axle rating. But, please do not exceed your 22,000 GCWR.
Now, truck upgrades. Your rear axle on a diesel is rated at 9200#. Your rear springs on a 2500HD are rated at 6900#. Your LT245/75R16E tires and wheels are rated at 6,084# combined.
These enhancements will make truck more robust.
1. Replace the tires and wheels with those from the 3500 SRW truck. Those are LT265/75R16E tires and rims. You do need to change the rims because not only are your tires rated at 6084# combined, so are your rims. This will raise the weakest link to 6830# tire rating.
2. Install a Timbren SES suspension kit (or an air suspension kit if you are so inclined). If you choose Timbren, go to Pirates4x4.com and find Burkespring. They currently have a smoking sale on Timbren kits.
By doing all of this, you may be within your GVWR or at least very close to it. I know that I am with my TV & 5ver. When I'm fully loaded to travel, my GCVW is between 20,500 and 21,000#. I'm at my GVWR, and at about 77% of LT265/75R16E tire and spring ratings.
You need to choose a 5ver with a lighter pin weight. Your post lists the dry pin weight of 2230#.
My fully loaded 5ver pin weight is about 2000# with a total 5ver weight of 12,500 to 13,000#. This is 1000-1500# below my 5ver's GVWR. My 5ver's unloaded weight is 10300#. That means my trailer contents including water, propane, clothes, groceries, etc. weighs about 2200-2800#. I also weigh my rig and re-balance the contents as necessary at the start of any long road trip. Yes, it does mean a couple of trips across the scales with and without the 5ver to get the actual pin weight.
However, the bottom line is that you must make the final decision for your rig.
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Bob and Cathy
2002 Montana 3655FL
2006 Chevy 2500HD Duramax/Allison
PullRite 16k Superglide
Kathryn's Fate wrote: Since I have a 2500HD that has the same frame as a one ton, if I upgrade the suspension, would it increase my 9200 gvwr?
NOTHING will increase your GVWR, as that is the manufacturer's rating and it cannot be changed (other than by a certified secondary manufacturing shop). But doing that will help your truck manage the load.
But while it may be true that the Long Box 2500HD and 3500 are similar frames, as there is no such thing as a GM SB 1-ton, how can you have the same frame to start with?
Axles and brakes are also different, as well as the springs.
Right now you have the choice to make - consciously overload or not? A lot of folks out here already have the truck and fiver, are overloaded and are regretting it.
I cannot recommend deliberately and knowingly overloading your truck.
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