Owners manual states that for MY truck king pin weight 3,000 lb max. This is due to the even distribution of the weight. If you load randomly, occupants & cargo, 2,369 lb is the max weight.
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Wrong. There is no such weight distribution factor.
The cargo (whatever is in the box) weight limit is the Cargo Weight Rating (see the glove box sticker, or Txxxx figure on your door sticker, should be the same ) The cargo wt is supposed to be distributed so that its centre of gravity is in the zone over the rear axle and below rail height as shown in the manual.
It doesn't matter if it is a load of bricks, the pin of a 5er, or the cg of a camper, that is where the cg goes and that is what the CWR is based upon. You do not get more weight allowed if it is at the cg instead of elsewhere, it just means the weight is in the right place when the cg is in the zone where it belongs.
Your "capacity" figure 2,369 is the total of the number of occupants the cab will take (5 or 6) at 150 each plus the CWR. If your cab holds 6, then your CWR is 2,369 minus 900= 1,469lbs. This is the figure that is used to say how much of a slide in camper you can carry in the box, or how heavy a load of bricks you can carry. If yours is a 5 seater, it is 2,369 -750= 1,619 for CWR.
There is a point of interest where people think you can use part of the cab wt allowance of 900 or 750 and add that to what you can put in the box, which means going over the CWR. I think this contradicts what the manual says about never exceeding the CWR, but it is not a big deal in the real world. Possibly it means your designed real limit (CWR) is even less than what you get by subtracting your actual wt from the GVWR.
Have the 06 Silverado SA/SB/CC LT2 2500HD with the Allison 6 speed automatic trans, 4:10 rear and the Vortec 8.1 liter. Certified scales have 3580 front and 2580 rear and 1/2 tank of gas. My lard butt adds another 185 lbs. Contacted GM consumer support specialist and gave my VIN number requesting any and all information on the build sheet specs for my truck only towing a fifth wheel trailer. Took 3 days but they did get back in touch with the following: "Sorry for the delay blah, blah. I have outlined the following figures that would help you decide in getting a fifth wheel trailer that you can safely tow with your vehicle.
1. Fifth wheel towing capacity is 15,600 lbs
2. Max towing capacity is 12,000 lbs
3. Trailer tongue load should be 10% to 15% of the maximum towing capacity.
You can add a fifth wheel trailer to your vehicle, as long as it will not exceed the fifth wheel trailer towing capacity."
Numbers posted on sticker on door frame:
GVWR 9200 lbs
GAWR Front 4410
GAWR Rear 6084
Tire and load info yellow sticker on post Passenger and cargo should not exceed 2921 lbs. LT245/75R16 load range E
I'm in the process of buying a used 93 Nomad 29 footer with 1 slide. Sticker is illegible so do not know weight. I see in earlier replies that I should change to 265/75R16.
What say all? Too much weight as is?
The 15,600# 5ver rating does not include anything loaded into your truck. However, chances are, the 29' 5ver that you are looking at isn't very heavy. However, weigh it before you buy it.
The 12,000# tow rating is for the class 3 receiver hitch. They should have clarified that.
The 10-15% tongue weight is also for the receiver hitch and not for a 5ver. Fifth wheel pin weights should be between 15 and 25% of the 5ver loaded weight.
Hope that helps.
Bob and Cathy
2002 Montana 3655FL
2006 Chevy 2500HD Duramax/Allison
PullRite 16k Superglide
This is of interest to the OP so I guess it is ok in this thread.
The capacity 2,921 says the truck weighs 9,200-2,921= 6,279 with a full tank and nobody in it and an empty box as delivered. (adjust for any mods since like a bed liner.)
Add you and ? and some stuff in the cab , say 400lbs and a 200lb hitch in the box for 600lbs. Truck now weighs 6,879
Your GCWR with the 8.1/4.10 is 22K? So you can pull a 5er 22K minus 6,879= 15,121lbs if you can take the pin wt.
GVWR 9,200-6,879 = 2,321. If that were 20% of the trailer wt, trailer would be 11,605lbs. So you hit GVWR before you hit GCWR.
Don't know what that 93 Nomad 29ft would weigh. Let's assume the worst and it is heavy for its length like a Komfort. A 2003 29ft Komfort has GVWR of 14,676, so pin at 20% say =2,935. Puts you 600lbs over GVWR but still under GCWR. Anything the Nomad weighs less than that example is better for you and of course you don't have to load it right up to GVWR either.
If the Nomad has no weight sticker, check its tires. They might be just enough for the "axle wt" of that trailer and the rest (another 20%) of the total wt is pin wt. So you could estimate that the most the trailer will weigh loaded is 5 times the load rating of one of its tires. If it has "more tire than it needs" then the trailer will weigh less than 5 times one tire's load rating.
Wish I could weigh it first but the closest scale is at an asphalt company 15 miles away and the trailer is no longer registered. County Mounties down here are glory hounds and would ticket their own mothers. I know the truck came with factory installed trailer towing package and weight distribution hitch that I believe is class V or IV. Hard to see with dirty glasses. Will be trying full timing RVing to see how I like it. If I don't, then I won't lose too much, that is the reason I went for a cheap used one. If I find out I do like it, I can always trade up. Seems a trade-in is worth a little more than cash for financing an RV.
Would only be myself and my 4 legged *****. Have a set of electronic scales that go up to 150# which makes it easier to know how much weight is being added where.
daytona7 wrote: One question. What is the difference between "Classic" Chevy and regular???
In 2007 there were two Silverados available. One (the Classic) was what had been available since (IIRC) 2002, the "New" 2007 Silverado introduced what the 2008s were going to look like.
Keith J, Retired from GM Engineering
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLE 2WD/CC/SB/DA.
1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS Fiver
Bilsteins, Line-X, Westin steps, Prodigy, Retrax, 16K Superglide, 5th-Airborne pin-box, Multi-vex mirrors.
The new Chevs compared with the "classics" mean no 8.1 engine choice. You get more pulling power with the 6.0 with the new transmission though, so you get 16K GCWR with the 3.73 (now available with the 6.0) or 18.5K with the 4.10. So the new truck with the 3.73 can pull the same as the old with the 4.10. If you liked the 8.1 you get pretty close with the 18.5K GCWR if you get the new 6.0 with the 4.10. Otherwise it's a Diesel.
For 5er work, watch out that the bed rails on the new are two inches higher but the bed the same height, so older trailers like that Nomad would probably need to be flipped with the new truck, maybe not with the classic in order to have any clearance.
The body style has changed a bit and there are some interior changes. The other big thing is that the ext cab back doors now swing right around instead of sticking out so you can now get a shopping cart in there at the grocery store parking lot.
They raised the stock bumper hitch for travel trailers from 12K to 13K too, but this means nothing for 5ers.
They did something about the tires, so the new 17" tire is the same diameter as the old 16" tire so it doesn't mess up the 3.73 or 4.10 ratios IIRC.
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