Delaine and Lindy wrote: No new one's build in over 30 yrs. So we will keep on paying. You had better write your congressman now, and if he/she don't do whats right vote him/her out of office. Remember the Dems said they would bring fuel down if elected to take over congress. We are paying more than double what fuel was when they took over. GBY.....
You are just an idiot. We may not have built any new refineries but the ones we have, have more than doubled in capacity in that time. Think before you type that crap.
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Who is this guy Exxon? I have never met anyone with that name. Maybe it is a bunch of stockholders. Maybe the people on this and other forums who are complaining should look at their 401K or other retirement programs. They may be boycotting themselves.
We Americans are spoiled. We think cheap oil is our God given right.
There is a finite supply of cheap oil and it is not growing. What is growing is the demand. The days of millions of Chinese riding bikes and pulling rickshaws has passed. They are driving cars now. One of the largest automobile manufacturers in the world is Tata Motors in India. They just bought Jaguar and Land Rover from Ford. The former third world countries want what we have had for years. It is ironic that all of the money flowing from the U.S. to China so we can by cheap products in our stores is used against us to bid for the same oil we want.
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Kenneth wrote: Unocal got out of the retail oil business several years ago. You're probably writing about a 76 station, and that giant ConocoPhillips.
There are only two things to do...stop electing politicians that accept campaign money from the oil industry, and use much less fuel.
Wrong! The only solution is to stop the environmental wackos like the Sierra club, earth first and who knows else. Then start lobbying the politicians to allow drilling on OUR land and waters, and site and build more refineries NOW!! I remember reading a few years back that to get a new refinery sited and built takes something like 20 years with today's red tape, and environmental restrictions. we are currently at 100% capacity on the refineries in productions today and there is no room for expansion. That means to get the products WE demand for our cars and truck it is being bought on the spot market. We are bidding in US dollars which today is about 1.56 dollars for 1 euro, so to buy one barrel of oil.gas.diesel, what have you, we have to pay $1.56 or more for each euro that is bid. That does not take in account China or India who's economies are red hot right now bidding on the same products. As long as WE ban drilling and exploration on our own lands we are at the mercy of the lunatics in the middle East for our products. That has to be the stupidest thing ever conceived by any government. And I am not pointing fingers at Democrats or Republicans. I AM POINT MY FINGER STRAIGHT AT BOTH PARTIES!
BenK wrote: Boycott one brand for a whole month, but you can still buy from another brand.
I think a better approach is to consistently buy gas where the price is less. I have a UNOCAL station near my house that is consistently 10 cents per gallon lower than the Chevron and Shell stations 1 block away. I'll keep bypassing the higher-priced stations and go to the UNOCAL guy.
If everyone bypassed those stations and went to the UNOCAL guy, the other ones would have to lower prices.
But most people won't do it. I was out on an errand yesterday and filled up at an ARCO station that was 15 cents per gallon less than the average price in the area. After filling up, I drove 2 blocks and saw people buying gas at the higher price at a Chevron and a UNOCAL station.
Gas is pretty much a commodity. I can see people wanting to put brand-name gas in their tanks--but why not frequent those that have it for a lower price?
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I wish "Big Oil" was doing as well as the myth. Who gets the profits of the oil companies? - All of us that have pension plans, IRA'a, 401K's, stocks, union pension plans and mutual funds. Profits are used only to pay dividends that are collected by these funds or to fund exploration for new oil or production equipment. Microsoft, Intel and many other companies earn far higher return on assets than any oil company.
Who gets all the high oil $$$$ - the despots that steal the money from the Oil Producing "countries", the hedge funds and the futures speculators. These are who our government, politicians and the public should be loudly blaming.
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Those kind of Emails have been circulating for several years now. Just THINK about it for a minute...if they've been making multi billions a month for years now who is going to be hurt by it? You are when the other brands run out of fuel then where will you go to buy more? yep. It is nothing different than when your toddler decides to throw a fit and holds his breath. You KNOW he'll come around
It wouldn't matter if it was big oil or small oil. Like all commodities - oil, gold, copper... al can go from under production to over production. Oil prices are high because oil prices WERE low - and they were low because previously they were high. And just like houses - once everyone believes that the price can only go up, all the money in the world flows in to create a surplus and a collapse.
I live in an oil rich area and we went from boom to bust to booom as a result. When people conserved through the 1980s, bought fuel efficient cars, etc. oil prices crashed and oil exploration and development ground to a halt around here - fairly tough times here for nearly twenty years!!! Low oil prices meant more "disposable" income everywhere else and people and companies then stopped pursuing energy efficiency, started to buy bigger vehicles, houses, etc. Companies also shifted production and wealth to other countries with cheap labour but wasteful energy infrastructure. Those countries and their people have just added to fuel demand and started the penduluum swinging the other way.
Sooner or later there will be a swing to lower prices - but probably not as low as we once saw.
Quote: You are just an idiot. We may not have built any new refineries but the ones we have, have more than doubled in capacity in that time. Think before you type that crap.
That may be, but just last week I heard an interview, can`t remember who just now, but we are importing about 15% of the GASOLINE we now need to keep up with demand. Not crude, gasoline. And at a premium price to boot. Middle eastern crude is only about 30% of our supply. It comes from all over; South America, Canada, Russia. Consumption in China and other countries is eating up supply. All the conservation in the world isn`t going to pull us out of this one, IMHO. We need the wackos to allow refineries to be built and crude pumped out of our own soil. The whole summer/winter blend changeover******is one more wrench into the workings that the enviro-quacks have foisted upon us. It`s global warming, haven`t you heard? Sheesh! My head is cracking open. Where`s my tape.
And don`t be so mean. This is a nice board. Mean people suck. (or....does that make ME one?)
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Big oil is what the News Media, Politicians and Environmentalits want you to believe. 75% of our fuel needs (60% Crude Oil and 15% gasoline) comes from outside our country. In 1970, this was only 30 - 40%. Profits go mainly to Arabs and Dictators, not "Big Oil". "Big Oil" controls less than 25% of our oil needs, but helps develope their resources, and sometimes helps them manage resources.
You can pay for your gas with a credit card, the "oil" companies cannot. They have to anticipate price changes and be ready to transfer all funds to the seller at the time of sale. The "oil" companies do the same thing with the gas station owners. "Big Oil" prices to insure supply and profit to Stockholders, i.e. 401K's (largest investors), pension funds, investment companies, trusts, individuals, other companies, employees & executives.
I live in a state that taxes businesses at over 11%. To survive world competition, businesses move to another state with less taxes or out of the country. Then we're really smart, we call them greedy, increase regulation, tax more to pay for regulation, and lose even more jobs.
We live in a capitalist economy, when the price goes high enough, someone finds a way to supply your needs. BUT, if you are not permitted or discouraged to do so, (Pure Socialism & Pure Environmentalism) demand continues to rise and so will the price. The world market is an open Capitalistic market that we are handing dictatorial powers to a select few by not producing our own.
We are "STUCK ON STUPID" . . . SOMEWHERE STUPID HAS TO STOP !
If you really want action,
1)DUMP ANY POLITICIAN who votes against any REASONABLE development of natural resources or expansion of plants (yep, don't want to make Bambi and wildflowers extinct either). Every year reasonable proposals to do so fail by a handful of votes.
Funny thing, 2 environmentalist politicians left office 7 years ago, barely with less than $2 Million in net worth now report over $100 Million in net worth. These two are the first to ever increase at such a phenominal rate !
2) Judges rule against developing resources. Install Judges that give an opinion of "yes" or "no" to laws, and follow remedies created by the passed laws. Judges regularly rule in favor of environmental causes and declare remendies where none are legislated. Remedies & Laws are to be written by lawmakers who are elected by you so you have a voice in being made and they can be changed by you when found by the general public as unacceptable. Judgements last until someone with enough money, and time can get to a judge who actually follows the Law. Removing Judges who go their own way is called "Impeachment" - That means going to Congress with complaints. We have impeached maybe 2 judges in 10 - 20 years.
3) and LIMIT the power of any regulating AGENCY State or local. They write their own rules based somewhat off passed congressional legislation. We have 60 or 90 days to review, comment, and try to get them changed. These regulations are the size of a large city phone directory, so they are rarely challenged. Once adopted they are harder to change than an act of God because of items 1) & 2)
Or, we can go on wishing things were different and using these forums to complain. Posts are entertaining though.
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