beemerphile1 wrote: ... Was I out of line to even ask?
I think it was appropriate to ask, but not appropriate to keep nagging him after he said no.
I didn't mean to be nagging, I didn't think he understood what I was trying to accomplish. I tried to express to him that he would actually benefit by taking less money per site.
20 empty sites X two nights = $0
20 sites at $20 X two nights = $800
I was also trying to understand his viewpoint, I never did.
Or, maybe he thought that you were being insistently insulating by constantly explaining the rules of negotiating to him. He was very likely aware of all of the economics that you were trying to explain to him. You were annoying him.
How about this:
Me: Can you hold your breathe for 5 minutes?
You: No.
Me: Why not, you just inhale and wait 5 minutes.
You: I can't do it.
Me: Come on, you can do it, just try.
You: No, I really can't. (becoming annoyed)
Me: Do it, it makes sense.
You: No it doesn't, I can't do it. (becoming irate)
Me: Yes, it's obvious that it something that you should do.
You: No, really, leave me alone. (about to throw punches)
Me: Well, it really is the thing to do.
You: (Take a swing at me)
what was his normal fee per night for a campsite you offered $20 a night thats pretty cheap for around here for a full or any type of hook up site, you would be lucky to find a no hook up site for that price.
1985 Class A Holiday Rambler Imperial 33 +1979 Class C Holiday Rambler Statesman 1000 = 24 ft
tom_kat wrote: what was his normal fee per night for a campsite you offered $20 a night that's pretty cheap for around here for a full or any type of hook up site, you would be lucky to find a no hook up site for that price.
I didn't offer $20 per night. That was simply an example that I stated on this forum to demonstrate my way of thinking. I only asked for a group discount.
What I expected from the other side of the table probably would have been a percentage off based on the number of sites.
Tim
"Okay, I admit it, the only thing I'm really good at is being me."
As far as accepting or understanding "no" that was not my issue. Where in the law books does it say that I cannot ask for an explanation of a policy? I love a discussion and always try to see other's viewpoints. Like I said though, I sincerely was trying to understand his way of thinking and was not being belittling, intimidating, or confrontational in my demeanor, body language, wording, or actions.
However, I ultimately walked away feeling that he was closed minded and just shot himself in the foot with this policy. But hey, it's his campground and his bills that he pays. He can and will do as he sees fit irregardless of my opinions.
windriderjr wrote: Having been in business for myself (not a cg), I can tell you IMHO the cg owner is nuts. I would give the rally organizer a free site and a discount to the group unless the group wanted a weekend that I couldn't provide what they needed. Every one of those 20 campers would be a potential return customer. If you look at business in a short-sighted way, you will be out of business shortly.
If a businessman is confident with his operation and know his advantage over the competitions, he should't have to offer any discount to keep operating a sucessful business.
In his case, the CG owner probably knows you are content with his operation(you are still there) and his $10/day with hookup seems to be a very attractive offer to begin with. Obviously, he doesn’t need to pass down any discount to keep your (or future) business.
However, I think he could use better words to deliver the same message.
"I tried to stay friendly and non-confrontational" Why wouldnt you? You asked a question and he answered it. I would ask Good Sam's to kick in some money there the ones making the money.
Nothing wrong with asking for a discount. If the owner doesnt want to give it then that is his option & nothing wrong with that ether. He does not have to explain to you, or anyone else why he does not provide a discount. Maybe he had a group in once before and they trashed his campground, were loud, & maybe trouble makers, & doesnt want to deal with that. Maybe his pricing is already low and can not give additional discounts. Who knows...he doesnt give discounts, & he doesnt have to explain it to you or anyone else.
Being an owner of a business myself, I might have acted differently. However, as soon as you make me feel as though I am not intelligent enough to run a business by not offering you a discount....well thats were the line is drawn and your out the door. If your going to hound the owner with questions on why he doesnt give a discount & then go into a discussion on business math, then what are you going to be like when you are in the campground. Just something to think about.
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