SpoiledRotten wrote: Simply trying to say...don't count on your little puppy to protect against a thug or a group of thugs. You will loose your doggie and possibly your own life and I would also say that you don't care much about your dog if you would use it for protection against them.
I kinda sorta have to disagree with this. A large dog, of virtually any breed, will scare away / keep away most people who don't know dogs. People who do know dogs, will stay away from many large breeds (knowing that even "nice" dogs can be iffy with strangers), and will definitely stay away from certain dogs, like shepards. I don't know about you, but I don't approach a German Shepard unless the owner tells me it is okay. I've had dogs that "know" me, go into "warning" mode when their owners aren't around.
We have a Big boxer, and she scares the pants off most people. Especially when she "growels", which she does when she wants to play! If you know boxers, most boxers wouldn't hurt a fly, but look mean as heck.
As to concealed carry, I am a big believer in "Don't ask, Don't tell".
Anyway, back to the original post, take your time and figure out all the laws before your cross state lines with a firearm.
OK.. this is a very charged topic. We love camping throughout North America, and despite what Americans are led to believe, Canadians are allowed to own guns, responsibly.
It is concerning that the debate is wrapped around rights rather than fixing the problem. Here is an example... I like to look at the facts, and they speak for themselves. Guns in the right hands can protect, guns in the wrong hands kill, and often children are involved. From the CDC statistics:
A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14) (Table_1).
The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04). For all countries, males accounted for most of the firearm-related homicides (67%), firearm-related suicides (77%), and unintentional firearm-related deaths (89%).
The rate for firearm-related deaths among children in the United States (1.66) was 2.7-fold greater than that in the country with the next highest rate (Finland, 0.62) (Figure_1). Except for rates for firearm-related suicide in Northern Ireland and firearm-related fatalities of unknown intent in Austria, Belgium, and Israel, rates for all types of firearm-related deaths were higher in the United States than in the other countries. However, among all other countries, the impact of firearm-related deaths varied substantially. For example, five countries, including three of the four countries in Asia, reported no firearm-related deaths among children. In comparison, firearms were the primary cause of homicide in Finland, Israel, Australia, Italy, Germany, and England and Wales. Five countries (Denmark, Ireland, New Zealand, Scotland, and Taiwan) reported only unintentional firearm-related deaths.
Reported by: Div of Violence Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, CDC.
the question shouldn't be gun control or no gun control, but what can be done to reduce US children deaths at 12 times the industrial nations average?...
Garfie|d wrote: Well, go ahead and call me a nieve chicken hearted Canuck, but if this is the kind of thinking that goes on south of the border, I'm going to cancel a few of my trips!
I don't think I caught anyone begging you to come down here. You should stay up there! And if keeps you up there, then yes, everyone down here acts like that. Canadians, for the majority, think like you since you have lost your rights to carry the way we still can. If you can't have them, you may as well show negativity towards the subject.
grantster is another example of a Canadian trying to prove that guns should be done away with. I really don't care about statistics in other countries. I live in the good ole USA and really don't care about visiting other countries, and I haven't lost a thing in Canada.
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I will travel anywhere in the US I want to with my weapon(s). I will not disclose it to anyone unless required by the current state law in which I am travelling upon presentation of proper credentials.
The worst I can be charged with is a misdemeanor. We can argue about that after the fact. I may be arrested, I may lose my weapon but at least I and my family will be alive.
If you see my gun.... it's the last thing you will ever see.
Spoiledrotten needs to play nicely in the sandbox. I don`t disagree with your rights, especially your rights to arm. You have a need to address a problem. If you choose to ignore it, that`s not my problem. By the way, I`m not proving anything, your government runs the CDC
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With a name like Livefreeusa.... You know where I stand on this!
I use handgunlaw on the web too!! I take two... a shotgun for the TT and my handgun for me.
Don't worry you'll never know it. I don't take them out for "show and tell" and they are there for my protection. and Yes I have my CCW as does my wife!
I think most of us have something in the TT.
A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14) (Table_1).
the question shouldn't be gun control or no gun control, but what can be done to reduce US children deaths at 12 times the industrial nations average?...
CDC reports these #s all the time...what they dont tell you is that "children"..for their studies...is up to 21 yrs old....and the majority of all these child firearm deaths are street gang/drug related. So to answer you question of what can be done...we need better control of "children living in the streets due to lack of proper parenting".
But...this doesnt help the OP with his question....
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...read the study... Overall, the data provided by the 26 countries included a total of 2872 deaths among children aged less than 15 years for a period of 1 year.
...gangs, drugs... poor parenting... other countries have these problems too, including Canada.
its obvious this topic hits a vulnerable spot. i am done. back to happy camping stories and koom-bay-ya
Canadians did not give up their right to own firearms they, like most of the industrialized countries of the world, realized how dangerous and unnecessary handguns are. Let me qualify this by saying I retired after 20 years in law enforcement and, during the last 12 of those years was director of a police acadamy where I over saw the firearms training of something around 2000 police recruits. I own a number of firearms, many of which are handguns. Canadians don't need handguns because very few Canadians have handguns. I would consider giving up hand guns were it not for the fact that so many other people in this country have them and will not give them up. I don't say this lightly, I have been a pistol shooter for more than 50 years. Still, the numbers make clear how much of a problem firearms in general and handguns in particular are in this country. The Canadians and other industrialized countries have a very civilized approach to gun ownership and their citizens are safer as a result. What a concept.
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I just love when they leave no doubt.
I don`t know why it is so hard for some folks to come to terms with the simple human nature we have been born with. The fact is, under the right circumstances, all people are capable of killing. There is no perfect utopia. It is unattainable on this planet. This humanity we`re all trapped in is a squishy, nasty, stinky mess sometimes. I`ve chosen to be prepared. How does the fact that I have the God-given right to protect myself with the best means possible threaten some of you? You won`t know I have it, you won`t see it, I`m experienced, I`m trained, I`m constantly aware of my surroundings, etc.
I gladly accept the responsibility that goes along with the right and none of it has any bearing on you. If you have some deep-seeded fear of guns, or your responsibility for your own safety, or you thrive on the denial that the police or somebody will aways be there to save the day, go for it. Wallow in it, whatever gets you through the day. Just don`t pee on my leg and tell me it`s Rocky Mountain spring water.
Ask yourself, If you see a punch coming your way, do you instinctively raise a hand to protect yourself? Or do you thoughtlessly give up the target to the assailant so as not to offend him.
My intent is not to win any of you over or even to anger you into response. I`m just continuously dumbfounded that this simple point gets so much "debate". Had these United States not taken up arms in 1776, we would not be who we are now. And, if that thought makes some of you happy, then all I can say is BAAAAAAAA! Welcome to the flock.
It is our heritage and our birthright. I`m offended at the number of folks who want to just plain roll over.
Rant off.
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Canadians, for the majority, think like you since you have lost your rights to carry the way we still can. If you can't have them, you may as well show negativity towards the subject.
