traxtermax wrote: I'd have him return it to "factory condition". The manufacturers apparently considered bolting necessary and the carpet guy probably doesn't want to bother IF it's a difficult job--if it weren't it wouldn't seem to merit discussion.
It's not a difficult job and it merits discussion because I want to talk about it...why be so disagreeable?
You took my post the wrong way—it wasn’t a criticism, just food for thought.
I meant that if it WASN’T a big a deal replace the bolts he removed, he would have done it without asking your permission to omit them.
Maybe he didn’t mark the holes, covered them with rug, then didn’t want to bother relocating them to re-bolt the couch.
If, when you bought the trailer, you knew the couch was supposed to be bolted but wasn’t, would you have insisted that the dealer install the bolts before you took possession? If so, why let the rug guy off the hook?
Skid Row Joe wrote: My last diesel-coach was a honey of a unit. It had commercial-grade "tight-woven" carpeting as a redecorating item. Commercial grade carpet is costly, but offers something that appealed to me. It holds any dirt, etc. up on it's surface, letting you vacuum it up, not getting down into the base fibers.
When the tradesman did his measuring to the rear of the coach, he missed it by about 4"........what were we going to do, start yelling at the guy? This was 25 yrs. ago. I had no reason to believe he did this on purpose, I've been in the construction industry most of my life. We just lived with looking down at the "patch" the last 4" of the coach at the rear of the commode, to the wall. Sometimes things just don't work out with labor installation. I hope to live a long life letting stuff like this go in my life, instead of throwing fits. My younger Brother had a heart attack at 47 yr. old, because he has always gone into a rage whenever neighbors, co-workers, siblings, whatever, didn't suit him.
Newell and Foretravel both high-end DP manufacturers, don't bolt their recliners down, not that I know of or have seen anyway.
You have just stated a very BASIC fact of life that I TOTALLY agree with. A friend of mine once told me "You're worried about the piss ants when the elephant's running over you." ...sometimes I have to remind myself...thanks for another reminder!
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robatthelake wrote: The "Bolts" that were used to hold Our Sofa Bed Down were necessary due to the design of the thing! In a "Panic" stop situation or Roll Over I'm not sure that they would be strong enough to prevent the Sofa from breaking away, however I'm of the opinion that they are better than No Bolts!
If the 5'er ever rolls over, the last thing I'm ever going to worry about is "wonder if that couch moved."
loedman1 wrote: In a collision that couch will want to continue out the front window. Now if someone happens to be between the couch and the window..... need I continue?
We have a 5'er - so it won't be a problem if that happens.
kennethwooster wrote: Our current unit was picked up last May. We made a trip to Branson. Our son is a Navy jet pilot, and wanted to met us and stay a few days in the camper. He flew into Tulsa and we stopped and picked him up. He slept on the hide a bed. We got up the next day and it had turned into a V. The legs float while the slide is out, and with somebody sleeping on the couch the legs went down. We had to put something under the legs so the bed would stay flat. I got home and had several warranty issues. The dealer said they had not bolted down the couch. In this unit the couch must be bolted down. I suppose if you don't want yours bolted that is fine. It all depends on the unit. Ours must be bolted if somebody sleeps on the bed.
Now this is the kind of information I'm looking for - is there a REASON to bolt it down? I guess I'll be calling Newmar tomorrow morning. The MAIN reason I don't want to bolt it is because it will put holes in my carpet and if I ever decide to take the couch out they will show. Also, it's very difficult to take out and redo. But if it's necessary, we'll do it.
Fred_n_Jo wrote: The sofa/hide-a-bed in our 5er is not bolted down but I wish it were. I had to put some 2x6 blocks between it and the back wall to keep it from sliding, during travel, against the big window vertical blinds and keeping them from operating properly. It is too heavy to pull out easily just to open the blinds.
This is another good piece of information as to why I should bolt. Thanks!
kennethwooster wrote: Our current unit was picked up last May. We made a trip to Branson. Our son is a Navy jet pilot, and wanted to met us and stay a few days in the camper. He flew into Tulsa and we stopped and picked him up. He slept on the hide a bed. We got up the next day and it had turned into a V. The legs float while the slide is out, and with somebody sleeping on the couch the legs went down. We had to put something under the legs so the bed would stay flat. I got home and had several warranty issues. The dealer said they had not bolted down the couch. In this unit the couch must be bolted down. I suppose if you don't want yours bolted that is fine. It all depends on the unit. Ours must be bolted if somebody sleeps on the bed.
Now this is the kind of information I'm looking for - is there a REASON to bolt it down? I guess I'll be calling Newmar tomorrow morning. The MAIN reason I don't want to bolt it is because it will put holes in my carpet and if I ever decide to take the couch out they will show. Also, it's very difficult to take out and redo. But if it's necessary, we'll do it.
What would you replace the couch with? Another couch? They're all bolted down from the factory...
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1.) I thought the OP read, "...whatcha think?" Then, ya get dis-ed 'cause she didn't like what ya' thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2.) And, 25 posts later we learn "the rest of the story!!!"----might wanna' change it----what was I thinking! Shame on me....
3.) Why bolt down a heavy sofa traveling 65 mph on a perfect sliding surface----or might fold up when someone tries to sleep on it......but then, what does the mfg. or anyone else know anyway.
ladymc53 wrote: Now this is the kind of information I'm looking for - is there a REASON to bolt it down?
Because of one of Newton's 3 laws of motion, the one that says an object at rest will stay at rest, an object in motion will stay in motion, unless outside forces act on it.
If you brake hard enough it will overcome the friction of the carpet. And once it is in motion it will stay in motion until an outside force stops it, a cabinet, wall. Then you will be bummed and mad because of the damage, cussing the installer because it wasn't bolted down.
I'm going to agree with the post that said the installer just doesn't want to find the holes. Because of that he has convinced you the laws of physics don't apply to your 5ver.
Call the factory. They are bolted down at the factory. What do you expect they will say? It really sounds like you are looking for an excuse not to bolt it down because you don't want the holes in the carpet.
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