2005 Nissan Titan CC SE 4x4, 2006 Weekend Warrior FS2300
2 Quads, 2 Motorcycle and a '06 Rhino
1 Patient Wife, 1 Crazy child, 1 sweet baby.
RIP Bubba and Toby, we love you.
Gun metal gray 07 new body style 3500 diesel crew cab 4x4 dually
red WW fsc 28 tiki hauler
red 400 ex
black 250ex
red 400ex
red 250ex
red KW heavy iron hauler
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unbelievable...the admin ACTUALLY punishes us, by not letting us stay informed as to the battles of our sports because some possible pro-sierra clubbers come in here and shoot up a thread???
here's a novel idea...how about WARN the people causing the problem???
Although I may be attacked for posting here because I do not own a toy hauler, I read this forum because I am interested in the general subject. (Don't own any toys and probably won't, but I am considering a TH as a potential full-timing rig one day.)
Having said that, I want to go to res08hao's statement that off roaders bring closures on themselves. First, let me say that I don't believe that the majority of off roaders are malicious, destructive, loud drunks. But . . . is anyone familiar with the saying that the squeaky wheel gets the grease?
In the negative sense, as it relates to this discussion, the actions of the few loud and obnoxious off roaders ruin it for the rest. Unfortunately, they are the ones who are remembered long after the quiet and responsible ones go home.
For example, my experiences with off roaders - the ones that I remember - have not been pleasant. ATVs running through the campground after dark, zipping through the campground and on shared trails at speeds too fast for anyone walking in the campground or on the shared trail.
Those experiences are vivid enough that I normally do not look forward to seeing ATVs in any campground I frequent. On the other hand, I am rational enough to know and accept that these "loudmouths" are nowhere near being in the majority.
I do think that some regulations and restrictions are both necessary and important. However, I am never a fan of closing an area off completely and permanently. If temporary closures are necessary for whatever reason, that's one thing. Permanent closures are another thing entirely.
I hope this post will be taken as what it is meant to be: an attempt to strike a middle ground and will not be seen as an attack on the vast majority of off roaders, because that is not what I intend here.
Walt H wrote: Although I may be attacked for posting here because I do not own a toy hauler, I read this forum because I am interested in the general subject. (Don't own any toys and probably won't, but I am considering a TH as a potential full-timing rig one day.)
Having said that, I want to go to res08hao's statement that off roaders bring closures on themselves. First, let me say that I don't believe that the majority of off roaders are malicious, destructive, loud drunks. But . . . is anyone familiar with the saying that the squeaky wheel gets the grease?
In the negative sense, as it relates to this discussion, the actions of the few loud and obnoxious off roaders ruin it for the rest. Unfortunately, they are the ones who are remembered long after the quiet and responsible ones go home.
For example, my experiences with off roaders - the ones that I remember - have not been pleasant. ATVs running through the campground after dark, zipping through the campground and on shared trails at speeds too fast for anyone walking in the campground or on the shared trail.
Those experiences are vivid enough that I normally do not look forward to seeing ATVs in any campground I frequent. On the other hand, I am rational enough to know and accept that these "loudmouths" are nowhere near being in the majority.
I do think that some regulations and restrictions are both necessary and important. However, I am never a fan of closing an area off completely and permanently. If temporary closures are necessary for whatever reason, that's one thing. Permanent closures are another thing entirely.
I hope this post will be taken as what it is meant to be: an attempt to strike a middle ground and will not be seen as an attack on the vast majority of off roaders, because that is not what I intend here.
are there not idiots in all walks of life? or is it they are only involved in off-roading?
I was run off the road by a diesel pusher....should i classify all owners of diesel pushers as asshats??
the sad fact of our major problem isthat, under the guise of of "environmentalism" , our riding areas continue to shrink, yet more and more people get involved in off roading...
Ok folks both Toy Hauler members & NON-Toy Hauler members please listen. There a few things everyone needs to understand here. As a moderator we try to keep the balance in a discussion, sometimes we close a thread because pruning it would be more hassle then its worth. Remember that RV.net is a community, just like society as a whole, some of us agree and some of us do not. Keep it civil and we can continue to discuss issues.
We can not and will not just purge non-Toy Hauler owner posts. Most Toy Hauler owners tend not to post on the other forums here, but you are all welcome to give your thoughts and opinions on other forums too.
Also please remember that both Dave and I are all volunteers, so please try to understand that though we would love to hang out here all day we have jobs and we go riding and camping too.
Walt H wrote: Although I may be attacked for posting here because I do not own a toy hauler, I read this forum because I am interested in the general subject. (Don't own any toys and probably won't, but I am considering a TH as a potential full-timing rig one day.)
Having said that, I want to go to res08hao's statement that off roaders bring closures on themselves. First, let me say that I don't believe that the majority of off roaders are malicious, destructive, loud drunks. But . . . is anyone familiar with the saying that the squeaky wheel gets the grease?
In the negative sense, as it relates to this discussion, the actions of the few loud and obnoxious off roaders ruin it for the rest. Unfortunately, they are the ones who are remembered long after the quiet and responsible ones go home.
For example, my experiences with off roaders - the ones that I remember - have not been pleasant. ATVs running through the campground after dark, zipping through the campground and on shared trails at speeds too fast for anyone walking in the campground or on the shared trail.
Those experiences are vivid enough that I normally do not look forward to seeing ATVs in any campground I frequent. On the other hand, I am rational enough to know and accept that these "loudmouths" are nowhere near being in the majority.
I do think that some regulations and restrictions are both necessary and important. However, I am never a fan of closing an area off completely and permanently. If temporary closures are necessary for whatever reason, that's one thing. Permanent closures are another thing entirely.
I hope this post will be taken as what it is meant to be: an attempt to strike a middle ground and will not be seen as an attack on the vast majority of off roaders, because that is not what I intend here.
Well said Walt, I invite you to repost your comment in the thead linked above.
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Are you advocating to go on the offensive? What a novel idea!!!
