It's completely rational for me. I just had to do the math. I have one of their Twin Turbo LS1 Cars with a Mendeola S4D Transmission. I go through a 55 gallon drum of fuel each day I'm on vacation which cost me $450 per drum or $1,800 for a 4 day vacation. I get approx. 3.2 hours on 20 gallons. The car only cost $10,000 more than the gas version. That means on my 6th vacation, I've paid for the extra. Now, i can plug it into my generator and in 1 hours it's charged to 85% capacity. All i have to do is eat lunch and it's ready to go. Or it takes 3 hours for a full charge. They used 3 gallons for the full charge on their 6000 watt Onan generator. 3 gallons at $4.00 is $12.00 for total fuel spent. Twice a day is $24.00 worse case. 200 miles is the ultimate in mileage however, even with the full day of test driving we did, we still got 118 miles on a charge. For me it's a no brainer. AS far as issues with Xtreme, I'm on my 4th car from them and they've never been late and I've never had an issue. I've met a dozen or so of their customer's and they've never had issues either. It's easy for trash to spread when a mistake is made however, the good news seldom gets reported. Bottom line for me, it was a 1 hour decision. Also the batteries are lithium ion batteries and are warrantied for 5 years and will take over 6500 completely recharges. For me that's 135 years of trips! These ain't no $3000 batteries, try 10 times that! This isn't your back yard home built electric system. This is the same technology that is in the new Tesla electric vehicle. Google Tesla Motorsports and see what they are doing.
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I wonder how many accidents will happen as a result of these things being so quiet?? I've almost been run over by a Prius a time or two in the parking lot at my work.
N-Trouble wrote: I wonder how many accidents will happen as a result of these things being so quiet?? I've almost been run over by a Prius a time or two in the parking lot at my work.
Sounds like you need to watch where your going.
I find this interesting though. I just ran a couple errands and when my windows are up, i can't here any car at all, even a big diesel that stopped at a light next to me. Accidents have nothing to do with how loud a car is or isn't.
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FishingFan wrote: It's completely rational for me. I just had to do the math. I have one of their Twin Turbo LS1 Cars with a Mendeola S4D Transmission. I go through a 55 gallon drum of fuel each day I'm on vacation which cost me $450 per drum or $1,800 for a 4 day vacation. I get approx. 3.2 hours on 20 gallons. The car only cost $10,000 more than the gas version. That means on my 6th vacation, I've paid for the extra. Now, i can plug it into my generator and in 1 hours it's charged to 85% capacity. All i have to do is eat lunch and it's ready to go. Or it takes 3 hours for a full charge. They used 3 gallons for the full charge on their 6000 watt Onan generator. 3 gallons at $4.00 is $12.00 for total fuel spent. Twice a day is $24.00 worse case. 200 miles is the ultimate in mileage however, even with the full day of test driving we did, we still got 118 miles on a charge. For me it's a no brainer. AS far as issues with Xtreme, I'm on my 4th car from them and they've never been late and I've never had an issue. I've met a dozen or so of their customer's and they've never had issues either. It's easy for trash to spread when a mistake is made however, the good news seldom gets reported. Bottom line for me, it was a 1 hour decision. Also the batteries are lithium ion batteries and are warrantied for 5 years and will take over 6500 completely recharges. For me that's 135 years of trips! This isn't your back yard home built electric system. This is the same technology that is in the new Tesla electric vehicle. Google Tesla Motorsports and see what they are doing.
The math does not make sense to me. Your saying your current sand car and the electric are going to have the same power and that it only takes your generator 3 hours to fully charge it or 3 gal. Gas only has so much energy per gram, you cant change that, you at best get the same performance of the generator condensed for a very short period of time factoring in a perfectly efficient system. It does not add up. It does not matter how advanced the electric technology is, you get the same energy from the gas regardless of which motor gets you up the hill. If you have a nuclear generator then we are talking.
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FishingFan wrote: It's completely rational for me. I just had to do the math. I have one of their Twin Turbo LS1 Cars with a Mendeola S4D Transmission. I go through a 55 gallon drum of fuel each day I'm on vacation which cost me $450 per drum or $1,800 for a 4 day vacation. I get approx. 3.2 hours on 20 gallons. The car only cost $10,000 more than the gas version. That means on my 6th vacation, I've paid for the extra. Now, i can plug it into my generator and in 1 hours it's charged to 85% capacity. All i have to do is eat lunch and it's ready to go. Or it takes 3 hours for a full charge. They used 3 gallons for the full charge on their 6000 watt Onan generator. 3 gallons at $4.00 is $12.00 for total fuel spent. Twice a day is $24.00 worse case. 200 miles is the ultimate in mileage however, even with the full day of test driving we did, we still got 118 miles on a charge. For me it's a no brainer. AS far as issues with Xtreme, I'm on my 4th car from them and they've never been late and I've never had an issue. I've met a dozen or so of their customer's and they've never had issues either. It's easy for trash to spread when a mistake is made however, the good news seldom gets reported. Bottom line for me, it was a 1 hour decision. Also the batteries are lithium ion batteries and are warrantied for 5 years and will take over 6500 completely recharges. For me that's 135 years of trips! This isn't your back yard home built electric system. This is the same technology that is in the new Tesla electric vehicle. Google Tesla Motorsports and see what they are doing.
The math does not make sense to me. Your saying your current sand car and the electric are going to have the same power and that it only takes your generator 3 hours to fully charge it or 3 gal. Gas only has so much energy per gram, you cant change that, you at best get the same performance of the generator condensed for a very short period of time factoring in a perfectly efficient system. It does not add up. It does not matter how advanced the electric technology is, you get the same energy from the gas regardless of which motor gets you up the hill. If you have a nuclear generator then we are talking.
Let me make it easier. In a 4 day trip i spend $1,800 in fuel for 32 hours of driving. With my new electric car i will spend between $96 and $144 for fuel for my generator to charge the car for the same 32 hours of use. I run my generator pretty much 24/7 anyway while I'm at the dunes. (kids watching tv, mircowave, stereo, etc.) The only extra fuel I'm paying for is the additional load on my generator while my car is plugged in to recharge. Based on the charging time it took to charge up the car on my DEMO day, i figure i will burn an additional 30 gallons of fuel in my toyhauler generator because of the additional load to charge my car. 30 X $4 per gallon is $120. How can you not understand that $1,800 in fuel is alot more than $120 in fuel?
This also doesn't count the fuel i will save while driving the car at home. At home, i simply plug it in at night (lowest KW per hour charge) and drive it around the ranch the next day. Technically if i drove it everyday at the ranch, it would cost me about $50 a month in electricity. That's cheap, no matter what anyone says.
Also, every year I spend $4,500 in transaxle repairs and/or freshening it up. This car has no transaxle. So there's an additional $4,500 i save every year there. I'm not a CPA but it's easy for me to do basic math.
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Sorry, but Xtreme is the Last company I would buy from...
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derwud wrote: Sorry, but Xtreme is the Last company I would buy from...
OK...
That's the great thing about America. If you don't like someone, don't buy from them. I don't like Cabelas because i think Bass Pro shops is better. I don't like Cingular because i think Sprint is better. However, I'm not going to waste my energy arguing about the difference. Make your own choices based on your own experience and go down the road. Let everyone else make their own decision and let life be what it is.
In the mean time, I'll save the money and run circles around the guys with gas guzzling sandcars while you guys discuss whether or not $1800 is more than $120.
FishingFan wrote: It's completely rational for me. I just had to do the math. I have one of their Twin Turbo LS1 Cars with a Mendeola S4D Transmission. I go through a 55 gallon drum of fuel each day I'm on vacation which cost me $450 per drum or $1,800 for a 4 day vacation. I get approx. 3.2 hours on 20 gallons. The car only cost $10,000 more than the gas version. That means on my 6th vacation, I've paid for the extra. Now, i can plug it into my generator and in 1 hours it's charged to 85% capacity. All i have to do is eat lunch and it's ready to go. Or it takes 3 hours for a full charge. They used 3 gallons for the full charge on their 6000 watt Onan generator. 3 gallons at $4.00 is $12.00 for total fuel spent. Twice a day is $24.00 worse case. 200 miles is the ultimate in mileage however, even with the full day of test driving we did, we still got 118 miles on a charge. For me it's a no brainer. AS far as issues with Xtreme, I'm on my 4th car from them and they've never been late and I've never had an issue. I've met a dozen or so of their customer's and they've never had issues either. It's easy for trash to spread when a mistake is made however, the good news seldom gets reported. Bottom line for me, it was a 1 hour decision. Also the batteries are lithium ion batteries and are warrantied for 5 years and will take over 6500 completely recharges. For me that's 135 years of trips! This isn't your back yard home built electric system. This is the same technology that is in the new Tesla electric vehicle. Google Tesla Motorsports and see what they are doing.
The math does not make sense to me. Your saying your current sand car and the electric are going to have the same power and that it only takes your generator 3 hours to fully charge it or 3 gal. Gas only has so much energy per gram, you cant change that, you at best get the same performance of the generator condensed for a very short period of time factoring in a perfectly efficient system. It does not add up. It does not matter how advanced the electric technology is, you get the same energy from the gas regardless of which motor gets you up the hill. If you have a nuclear generator then we are talking.
Let me make it easier. In a 4 day trip i spend $1,800 in fuel for 32 hours of driving. With my new electric car i will spend between $96 and $144 for fuel for my generator to charge the car for the same 32 hours of use. I run my generator pretty much 24/7 anyway while I'm at the dunes. (kids watching tv, mircowave, stereo, etc.) The only extra fuel I'm paying for is the additional load on my generator while my car is plugged in to recharge. Based on the charging time it took to charge up the car on my DEMO day, i figure i will burn an additional 30 gallons of fuel in my toyhauler generator because of the additional load to charge my car. $30 X $4 per gallon is $120. How can you not understand that $1,800 in fuel is alot more than $120 in fuel?
This also doesn't count the fuel i will save while driving the car at home. At home, i simply plug it in at night (lowest KW per hour charge) and drive it around the ranch the next day. Technically if i drove it everyday at the ranch, it would cost me about $50 a month in electricity. That's cheap, no matter what anyone says.
Also, every year I spend $4,500 in transaxle repairs and/or freshening it up. This car has no transaxle. So there's an additional $4,500 i save every year there. I'm not a CPA but it's easy for me to do basic math.
I completely understand the money difference. But since gas has so much energy per gallon, and your generator is no more efficient than your sand car especially not 10 times more efficient, you cannot even in a perfect system get the same Horsepower from the electric engine as the gas and use 10 times less fuel. You must generate the kilowatts, the generator and the batteries have loss due to inefficiency therefore most likely outdoing the inefficiency of the gas sand car. Either you will do at least 10 times less driving of the electric car, have 10 times less horsepower, Charge for 10 times longer therefore equal gas use, or have 10 times less fun. You cant get something for nothing which with your math it seems to me you are trying to get.
Your trying to hard. Think simpler. 32 hours of driving for $1,800 in fuel on gas. 32 hours of driving on an electric motor for $120 in fuel. The electric motor has more torque than my Twin Turbo car has. The electric motor has 665 ft. lbs of torque at 150 RPM's (yes 150 not 1500)compared to my existing 640 Ft. Lbs i have now in my Twin Turbo LS1. This new electric will out run my Twin Turbo car ALL DAY LONG and not even give it a second thought. If i can outrun my existing Twin Turbo car for $120 in fuel per trip. Who cares about the breakdown of efficiency loss. 32 hours of driving is 32 hours of driving whether it's gas or electric. Plus i even gain 3 MPH on the top end speed with my electric car.
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