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RayChez

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Posted: 07/08/12 04:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

MrDoneIt65 wrote:

The Amish coils still heat with propane. They mount on the refrigerator the same way the old coils mounted. Also, make sure the black and white wire in the control box that go to the cooling fans are properly connected. Even though the fans are 12v DC if the wires are hooked up wrong then the fans won't work. Mine were hooked up backwards and when I got the new Amish coils there was a wiring schematic with it. I have no idea how they got hooked up backwards and how long they had been that way. The recall is a joke but don't throw the refrigerator away and pay $4k for a new one. The Amish coils cost me $1075.00.

I used a motorcycle jack, wrapped tape around the wheels to protect the floor, set it in front of the fridge after taking off the doors, and removing the interior shelves, and mounting screws. Then I went outside and disconnected the gas lines and unplugged the fridge. I had an ice maker that never worked so I also had to unhook the water lines. Then I shoved the fridge out of the opening until I could go insided and pull it out.

I rolled it into the center of the kitchen and raised it up until it touched the ceiling which made it stable. I took the four screws out of the old coils, threw them out in the yard, cleaned the caulking off as instructed, put the new caulking in as instructed, mounted the new coils in place, put the screws back in, sealed it with the tape provided and then before I put it back in the opening I cleaned out all the dust and replaced the fiberglass insulation with aluminum coated styrofoam board cut to fit. Lot neater. Then I slid it in, hooked up the gas lines, plugged it in, and turned it on. It now cools on #5 instead of #9. I took the worthless Ice Maker out. Trays work.

Hope everyone finds this useful. The Norcold solution wasn't a fix, it was a removal of liability. No matter how many times you have the sensor replaced the fridge will not stop overheating and if you bypass the sensor and your rig catches on fire, it's your fault, not Norcolds.


Thanks for the info. If mine ever goes out, I will probably do exactly what you done. It would be hard for me to replace it with a refrigerator that only works with AC power.


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Posted: 07/12/12 11:03am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

00 BUCK wrote:

Hope everyone finds this useful. The Norcold solution wasn't a fix, it was a removal of liability. No matter how many times you have the sensor replaced the fridge will not stop overheating and if you bypass the sensor and your rig catches on fire, it's your fault, not Norcolds.



I expect there will be a class action suit on this sooner than latter


norcold never claimed it was a fix.what it does is shut the fridge off in the rare case it overheats from a low cooling fluid situation
it was never designed nor intended as a repair due to overheating.

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Hi,

Use the savings to buy solar and an inverter. Residential is the way to wander.


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pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

Use the savings to buy solar and an inverter. Residential is the way to wander.


what savings?? there are non to be had.Buying a new inverter and new batterys and all the HD wiring required plus a decent fridge cost way way more than a new cooling unit installed never mind the cost to a person to have all the new inverter system installed and the rework of the cabinets and most older units need the windshield removed which is exspensive etc

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I agree with RVrepairnut. There is no savings when you have to buy all these other equipment and mods.

I just wonder out of the millions of Norcolds that have been sold what the percentages are of failure because of a leak on the coils. I bet it is lower then what we think. But when one fails the screaming that goes on in these forums makes it look like the percentages are high.

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I looked into putting a residential fridge in my unit. None fit without modification. You could just plug it into 110 but when headed down the road I think the draw on an inverter would be pretty drastic when the compressor kicks in.

When my rig was new I had to put the Norcold on 9 in order for it to stay cold. I had an ice maker that never made ice more than one time when I first turned it on. Then it would fill with water and drive me crazy going click, click, click, click. With the Amish double coils I set the fridge on 4 and it stays cold. Plus it works on propane which keeps it cold while I am traveling.

So while I agree that a residential sounds appealing, I think the disadvantages far outweigh the purchase of the Amish coils to fix the Norcold.


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Hi MrDonelt65,

6 amps @ 120 volts translates to 60 amps at 12 volts but this start up surge is less than a second.

Real life data shows that a 9 cubic foot residential fridge will use a little less than 80 amp-hours per day, in what I consider to be hot weather.

It is cost effective to do so, and some new RV's now come so equipped. I.E. it is cheaper at the manufacturing level to use a residential fridge. Don't you think their "bean counters" have costs down right to the penny?

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PianoTuna is correct that the residential type fridge are a lot cheaper and that is why they are installing them on some of the new coaches, to save money. But at the same time they have to install a pure sine inverter and six house batteries to keep that residential type fridge running.

I have never had any problems with my Norcold 1200 LRIM in nine years that I have had my coach. I set it at six and it stays at 34 degrees. And I imagine the freezer is much colder. The ice cream stays pretty solid.

I really like where you can use propane and AC current. So if I ever have problems I will buy the Amish made coils. It would be too much of a problem removing the one piece windshield to bring in the residential fridge and removing the Norcold, plus they never are the perfect fit. So you would have to hire a carpenter to make modifications so that it does not look like a shoddy job. Just too much trouble for me.

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Ray Chez, I totally agree. The problem I have is that my unit was working fine until they started doing recalls. On the second recall the coils suddenly blew out at the location of the recall attachment. I took the unit off and sent it to Norcold. Someone from Norcold called me and said they were considering an adjustment to my situation. I had written a letter to the government agency and cc'd it to Norcold explaining what had happened. I never heard from them again.

I am sure the newer applications will be improved. We just got caught in the middle.

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RayChez wrote:

PianoTuna is correct that the residential type fridge are a lot cheaper and that is why they are installing them on some of the new coaches, to save money. But at the same time they have to install a pure sine inverter and six house batteries to keep that residential type fridge running.

I have never had any problems with my Norcold 1200 LRIM in nine years that I have had my coach. I set it at six and it stays at 34 degrees. And I imagine the freezer is much colder. The ice cream stays pretty solid.

I really like where you can use propane and AC current. So if I ever have problems I will buy the Amish made coils. It would be too much of a problem removing the one piece windshield to bring in the residential fridge and removing the Norcold, plus they never are the perfect fit. So you would have to hire a carpenter to make modifications so that it does not look like a shoddy job. Just too much trouble for me.

I agree 100%.Mind you because the tiffin has the 32 inch entry door u dont have to spend $800 Re and Reing the front windshield

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