clayway
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What would you consider the Bornfree 22' cab over?, B+, C-?'
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CVand261XL
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Coach House, Dynamax, Phoenix Crusier are the one's i'm fond of.
2008 Dynamax Grand Sport 360 GT - Freightliner Columbia - 450 HP Mercedes Benz
2007 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited X - Toad
Held Together with a Roadmaster Falcon II and Stopped with an Even Brake.
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Gene in NE
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There is a topic started by Daniel C. called B+ Motorhomes which has about 180 pages of reading. All the above postings are correct, there is not a RVIA Class called B+. R-Vision is usually given credit (or worse - depending on point of view) for starting the term B+. They designed something a little more streamlined on the outside and about a foot narrower. They felt that there was a market for rigs a little larger than a Class B, but still have the same ease of driving.
Monaco bought the R-Vision Trail-Lite and continued producing them including the Holiday Rambler Augusta at the same factory.
2002 Trail-Lite B Plus 211-S w/5.7 Chevy
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teddycp
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Check out R-Vision! Nice size and equipment w/o the steep price. Also, Born free made some without the overhead bunk. Steep price though. Phoenix Crusier is another. We have a Telstar(no longer made)and love it, but there are only two of us. Good luck!!
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happyjack2
Winchester VA
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Another vote for R-Vision B+. (or any other mini "C" for that matter)It fits in our small city sized backyard so we don't have to pay storage fees. It is smaller than a regular "C" in width, height and length and I've driven it downtown in several older cities to sightsee without any problems.
Bill & Maggie
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2003 Trail Lite 211 B+
Chevy 6.0L
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tjholyoke
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Love our Coachmen Concord. Downsized from a 27ft. Fleetwood Tioga, and can now drive with more confidence. Those few feet and the narrower width make a big difference, as does the better visibility without the cabover. Have fun making this decision!
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tatest
Oklahoma
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Manufacturers:
Coachhouse (everything)
BornFree (Built for Two)
Phoenix (everthing)
Winnebago/Itasca (Aspect/Cambria, some models of Navion/View)
Forest River (Lexington)
Gulfstream (BT Cruiser, Yellowstone Cruiser)
Monaco (RVision Trail-Lite, Safari Damara)
Dynamax (Isata and Dynaquest in several sizes, up to nearly 40 feet and 40,000 pounds)
A few more brands used, defunct manufacturers.
Tom Test
Itasca Spirit 29B
2001 Ranger Edge
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DakotaD
Kodak, Tennessee
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Our first MH was a B+, Forest River, Lexington 283GTS. It was great for our first but...........here's why we traded up to a 35' class A.
1. It felt like a truck and actually it is.
2. You have no or very little room to carry all the stuff you need.
Actually had to have two boxes in my garage, one for beach trips
and one for mountain trips. Depending on which place I was going
to, I'd load the compartments accordingly.
3. Inside, the storeage isn't much better. We'd have to move stuff
around to reach other things. Constant hassle.
There were some good things:
1. Somewhat more manuverable, only 29'. More places were able to
accomodate length.
2. Got about 8.5 to 9.5 mpg as opposed to 7.9 to 8.5 now.
3. She was beautiful and "different", got lots of comments on her.
Having said all that, I'd not wish to go back to the class B+. It really is just a C with no bunk in the overhang up front.
My coach handles like a dream on the interstate and most other roads.
Some bridges in the mountains of NC are a little hairy with the
8'6" width but we just wait till it's safe to cross.
I love the extra storeage, black and grey capacities, fresh water (85gal.)
Good luck
...by His grace...
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klhutch
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clayway wrote:What would you consider the Bornfree 22' cab over?, B+, C-?'
Part of the problem with this "class" is that there is no clear definition. People who are passionate about the "B+" name are trying to use it to capture a concept that is somewhat slippery. They want a MH that is larger than a B but has B-like characteristics: styling, handling, fuel economy. Normally they exclude anything with an overhead bunk. So your Bornfree C/O is not a B+ but the almost identical Built For Two is! This convention also excludes the View/Navion and all the other Sprinter based class Cs that have everything this "class" is supposed to have, and in spades, but shame on them, they have bunks over the cab! Naughty, naughty, motorhome!
This is a fairly clear market segment nonetheless and I think it is better named mini C or compact C. They all use a cutaway van chassis as their base and that is the hallmark of class C, not class B. They all handle well and fit in places that traditional sized class Cs fear to tread. They all get over 10 mpg. Whether they have a bunk over the cab or not is immaterial and "style" is in the eye of the beholder. It stretches the limit a little but even our entirely traditional looking Coachmen Freelander is a compact C. It is only slightly narrower and shorter than a full sized C but its length is definitely in the compact C range. It handles very well and the mpg, well, not enough data yet but early indications are that it will beat 10 mpg. Like some of the other latest class C designs it does not lack for external storage. There is just over 100 cubic feet available under the rear corner bed.
There is quite a variety of class Cs that are shorter than 25 feet and to me it is the length more than anything that defines a compact C. A few inches here and there on width and height doesn't mean a lot except to those who are serious about shoehorning the biggest possible box into the smallest possible space. A few extra feet in length really changes things however. Yes, there are MHs that have all the other characteristics of a "B+" but which are 29 feet long. I'd say that my Freelander exhibits the compact C ethos better than they do and I'd say the same about the Bornfree C/O.
Ken
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rvten
Crossville,TN
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Some dealers may push them as B+. But the manufacturers class them as class C's. Like our Aspect.
Tom & Bonnie
Crossville, TN.
Aspect 29H 2008
Class C passed Class A owner
(No Such Thing as a B+)Pontiac G6 2006
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