The way I understand it, even with the personal use exemption, the trailer PIN weight MUST be included in the RGW (registrered gross weight) to determine the licence plate fees ONLY.
Also, after speaking to the person at my local licencing office and the Ford dealer, they both confirm that NO Super Duty trucks are issued with a "personal use Only" stickers because of the vehicle's base weight of 3000kg. But there is the definition of a "personal use pickup" written into the MTO regulations if you carefully read the "Daily Inspection and Maintenance requirements". I must admit it is very confusing to say the least.
May I ask how you came to this understanding because your interpretation goes against what this government website indicates if your trailer is over 2800kgs.
The way I understand it, even with the personal use exemption, the trailer PIN weight MUST be included in the RGW (registrered gross weight) to determine the licence plate fees ONLY.
Also, after speaking to the person at my local licencing office and the Ford dealer, they both confirm that NO Super Duty trucks are issued with a "personal use Only" stickers because of the vehicle's base weight of 3000kg. But there is the definition of a "personal use pickup" written into the MTO regulations if you carefully read the "Daily Inspection and Maintenance requirements". I must admit it is very confusing to say the least.
May I ask how you came to this understanding because your interpretation goes against what this government website indicates if your trailer is over 2800kgs.
As I said, VERY CONFUSING. If I read "determining RGW" does that mean I have to go to the licensing bureau and have them add the WHOLE weight of my trailer (ex. 5000kg) to my already RGW of 3500kg for a total of 8500kg which means annual inspections and the rest?
If I only add the pin, then nothing really changes except maybe to pay a bit more for plates. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
This reminds me of BC 20 years ago when their economy was in the tank. For many years they financed the Provincial Coffers off the Out of Province Drivers. They couldn't get any money from the locals as they had a Points System, so the outsiders got hit with the monetary fines.
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I see how you came to your interpretation, however on the same website as you saw that statement it also says this:
"The registered gross weight (RGW) determines the fee paid for the truck's licence plates. RGW is based on, and must be at least equal to the actual weight of the truck and its heaviest load. Generally the weight of a towed trailer and its heaviest load are added to the RGW of the truck.."
This is absolutely nuts.. I think this is worse than TAX Law!!!!! LOL
I see how you came to your interpretation, however on the same website as you saw that statement it also says this:
"The registered gross weight (RGW) determines the fee paid for the truck's licence plates. RGW is based on, and must be at least equal to the actual weight of the truck and its heaviest load. Generally the weight of a towed trailer and its heaviest load are added to the RGW of the truck.."
This is absolutely nuts.. I think this is worse than TAX Law!!!!! LOL
I agree with you that it is nuts (and confusing).
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I only read to the bottom of page 1, but as a LEO, there has to be a LEO from Ontario on the Forums that can clarify this issue. There is no such law here in Sask, not even anything close.
Land Cruisers wrote: You do require an annual inspection on any truck over 4500 kgs GVW, whether used for personal, commercial or otherwise. The quoted section relating to daily inspections is part of the commercial inspection procedure which includes logbooks, etc., which you don't have to do. This is a requirement under section 8 of Regulation 611 of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, for which there are no exemptions relating to personal use or RV use.
Simply changing your permit (ownership) to a lower GVW number does not exempt you, your door post sticker lists your GVW, and if over 4500 kgs (virtually any dually), you need the annual, no exemptions. There is actually a Highway Traffic Act offence for having an incorrect weight recorded on your permit. Even though the MTO licence offices will change it on request, it is your responsibility to make sure your permit reflects the accurate GVW of your vehicle.
The CVOR requirement, and the ticket you received, is completely in error. Personal use, or RV use, absolutely does not require a CVOR. You can apply to the court to have your conviction re-opened for the CVOR charge. Don't waste your money on Pointts or any of the other companies trying to get you to pay for court assistance, traffic court is relatively informal. All traffic court matters are being pre-screened by the provincial prosecutors, they will call you in advance of court to discuss your case, let them know that you were charged in error, quote the appropriate section, and I'd be very surprised if they didnt withdraw it at that point.
PM me if you need more assistance, I'm a 23 year Ontario police officer.
After carefully reading the legislation, you are absolutely right, sir. Now this more clear to me, except for the RGW. Can you clarify for us the RGW, do we have include just the pin weight or the whole weight of the trailer?
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