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DelCamper

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Posted: 03/29/12 02:56pm

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The power must be generated. How much power is used in a vehicle? Based on 40 gallons of gasoline used per week and engine efficiency of 20% thats 1200 KWH a month of extra generating capacity. Both the grid and generation is near it's limit currently. Throw in 1200 KWH more per month per home (and a couple of shiftworkers) and were way over.

The EPA dooms coal fired in the US and more coal is available for export facilitating development in the developing world which China has overtaken in carbon emissions.

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Posted: 03/29/12 06:53pm

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I guess it was my lucky day today. Driving the motorhome back from the tire shop, I found gas for $3.82 a gallon. While going there I saw stations raiseing their prices to $3.92 a gallon. The average here is Jacksonville has been running $3.86. Just the right time as we are getting ready for a 2300 mile trip. Always nice to start out with a full tank at low prices.

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Posted: 03/29/12 07:21pm

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It's $3.95 in Cape Coral Florida

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Yes, US consumption is down (Just how much of that is thanks to the unemployed?). But world consumption is up. We are not dealing with a US only fuel industry. What the refineries make is not even part of the question, the fact is more supply equals lower prices, again worldwide not just US. Tell yourself you're right all you want but there is no breaking the law of supply and demand.

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Actually world consumption since 2009 is flat (actually declined by 1 million bbls/day). New World (developing) increased from 4 million bbls/day from 47 million in 2009 to 51 million in Jan 2012. Old World (developed) declined 5 million bbls/day from 42 million in 2009 to 37 million in Jan 2012.

Not only is US consumption down but that Old World figure includes Europe which is having a severe economic contraction.

This price increase is beyond pure supply and demand.

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dmatt wrote:

I'm sure those of us out here in CA remember the rolling black outs in the summer due to electrical consumption here. I'm not sure pure electric vehicles is the answer. Can't imagine what it would be like if the millions of autos out here all required to plug in.

this my second attempt to post as the Mod likes to delete my posts.
The Electric cars most likely will be recharges at night when the elctric load is at it's lowest point.
If we EVERstart to rebuilt the grid we will welcome many more wind turbines to help this all reduces the need for oil.
As we RV we should lead those efforts

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Oh boy! Excellent posts the last couple of days. Thank you gentlemen. Now I have to go back and review it and digest the information.

Thanks again.

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Posted: 03/31/12 09:35am

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Fezziwig wrote:

Oh boy! Excellent posts the last couple of days. Thank you gentlemen. Now I have to go back and review it and digest the information.

Thanks again.

Me too! Unless I can get a root canal instead.

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My immediate reaction is that this tangle of economic influences and hair-trigger dependencies should motivate us to move to oil-alternates so as to get off being so dependent on such frail mechanisms. As long as we depend on importing energy instead of using the free energy that the sun showers on us everyday, the more tenuous our society and greater chances of blackmail and manipulation by foreigners.

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Posted: 04/01/12 08:46am

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Almost of the local gas stations are now at $3.79 a gallon of gasoline. Diesel runs from $3.88 for biodiesel to $4.18. I'm sure that by our camping season (May) the price of regular will be $4.00 a gallon. Ah, well, we can't take it with us.....