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tomman58

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Posted: 01/25/13 03:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

That would be a good thing.

tomman58 wrote:

no nuke power


Our navy would be able to go anywhere without nuke power!


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Solar is not a dead industry as some would think IE:

TechNavio's analysts forecast the Global Concentrated Solar Power market to grow at a CAGR of 12.01 percent over the period 2012-2016. One of the key factors contributing to this market growth is the increase in legislations in the Renewable Energy sector. The Global Concentrated Solar Power market has also been witnessing the increase in large-scale CSP production. However, the reduction in FiTs could pose a challenge to the growth of this market.

!2%growth in any industry is very good in the long run. The current list of proposed solar sites is quite impressive even with the china problems.

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DelCamper wrote:

First, we're broke. Second everything is being done to get the third world to become developed energy consumers of high carbon fuel. The developed world cuts back one unit of carbon fuel only to be replaced by two units in the developing world which including China is exempt from global carbon reduction treaty.

All that is being done is to increase the cost of carbon fuel in the developed world to limit it's use and therefore make more available for global development.

All of this has zero to do with the environment.


Del I think we will lead on this issue, hide and watch.
As for being broke... We are still the most admired, respected, feared, loved and financially poised of anyone else on the planet.

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Carbon to atmosphere is increasing. More coal is being consumed not less. Instead of being burned here it's being saved for the 3rd world. China is putting on line two new coal fired power plants per week devoid of environmental controls. They have a design life of 50 years.

You miss the point. It's about having sufficient low cost energy for global development not the environment. In the process energy costs increase in the US so less is used. Fracking is a wildcard and did throw a curveball in the plans.

I'll give you the feared part. Have oil and whisper that your abandoning the US Dollar as payment and you have trouble hitting you like a ton of bricks potentially including the Marines pay you a visit.

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Today, the EPA refused to permit the $3 BILLION Texas coal plant which was to be the most modern and clean coal plant in the world. 4,500 jobs. They plan on closing 205 additional plants in the next 4 years. Coal is going gangbusters world wide for power production, but has just fallen behind natural gas in the US (due to the miracle of fracking). The US CO2 emissions are the lowest of the last 21 year. (not that it matters as the world's are up.) The only factor driving solar is governmental mandates. When these fail as people get tired of paying triple for their energy, they will also fail. No energy source capable of at least breaking even with their competition will survive.





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Natural gas may not always be cheep. And the solar is just for the mid day peak not to supply 24/7 base load.


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With fracking and horizontal drilling, the natural gas supply is over a century. Plus there is a lot undiscovered in North America and the rest of the world. The problem with solar has always been storage with is more expensive than making it. That is what is so neat about the compressed air hybrid. Storage is about 10% as much cost of batteries per unit of energy.

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Hi Lindsay,

Are you referring to "the Air Car" when you mention a compressed air hybrid?


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No, the Air Car from India, was a tiny car that had a air tank that you filled before you left and it turned the wheels. The air hybrid (link below) is made by the large French auto company and is a true hybrid, but instead of heavy, expensive batteries to store energy, it starts off with a full tank of compressed air and then has a gas engine also. It runs in 3 modes controlled by a computer. air only, air and gasoline, and gasoline only. It uses brakes by using the energy to refill the compressed air tanks. It reduces cost by about 80% city and 50% highway. Basically like the Volt except cheaper, lighter, and more efficient. There is a lot of waste when converting to the battery and from the battery. Not here. Lots of private money behind it. There is a short video in the article below. Looks pretty good to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-........ot-Citroen-unveil-new-117mpg-hybrid.html

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Hi Lindsay,

Air Car was in France long before it was in India. Thanks for the link.

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