To each his own of course, but isn't going to the Ricksons a bit of overkill in some cases? I mean, the highest drive axle weight I've seen so far (and I scale just about everytime we head out because there's a truckstop on our way out of town) is 6020#. My E-rated GY silent armors are good for 3415# each at 80psi. So, I'm under max weight on those tires by 800 pounds, and usually by more than that. When I load down the TH garage it usually takes another 200# to 400# of the pin, so I generally see drive axle weights at more like 5800#.
I guess what I'm asking is .... at what point are you just throwing money away? Heck, I suppose that I could buy a $15,000 commercial riding mower to cut my half acre lawn too, but my $300 walk behind gets the job done just fine
Ran wrote: To each his own of course, but isn't going to the Ricksons a bit of overkill in some cases? I mean, the highest drive axle weight I've seen so far (and I scale just about everytime we head out because there's a truckstop on our way out of town) is 6020#. My E-rated GY silent armors are good for 3415# each at 80psi. So, I'm under max weight on those tires by 800 pounds, and usually by more than that. When I load down the TH garage it usually takes another 200# to 400# of the pin, so I generally see drive axle weights at more like 5800#.
I guess what I'm asking is .... at what point are you just throwing money away? Heck, I suppose that I could buy a $15,000 commercial riding mower to cut my half acre lawn too, but my $300 walk behind gets the job done just fine
Ran,
What are you towing? To tell the truth I haven't crossed the scale with my Raptor. I was worried I wouldn't like the results
My trailer pulls smoother fully loaded than it does empty. Perhaps my pin weight is less than I imagine.
I was just thinking it's better to error on the side of caution.
Having a truck camper in the PU bed, plus, 500 lbs of trailer on the ball hitch, I have more weight back there than you guys with 5th wheel toyhaulers and weight on pin.
Ran wrote: To each his own of course, but isn't going to the Ricksons a bit of overkill in some cases? I mean, the highest drive axle weight I've seen so far (and I scale just about everytime we head out because there's a truckstop on our way out of town) is 6020#. My E-rated GY silent armors are good for 3415# each at 80psi. So, I'm under max weight on those tires by 800 pounds, and usually by more than that. When I load down the TH garage it usually takes another 200# to 400# of the pin, so I generally see drive axle weights at more like 5800#.
I guess what I'm asking is .... at what point are you just throwing money away? Heck, I suppose that I could buy a $15,000 commercial riding mower to cut my half acre lawn too, but my $300 walk behind gets the job done just fine
rcchallenger,
I'm towing a Raptor 3814. My empty pin weight is significantly more than when we have toys in the garage. And...like you, I think it tows better with 'stuff' in the garage. In fact, when we use the TH for camping only, I fill the water tank and take the cargo out of the front compartment and put it in the garage. It tows better with the 'ballast' in the rear. Also, I believe that your pin weight is probably a touch more than mine from the factory because you have a bedroom slide and I don't??
I very good buddy of mine has a 3612 and tows it with a 2003 Dodge Cummins. He loves it!
Ran,
What are you towing? To tell the truth I haven't crossed the scale with my Raptor. I was worried I wouldn't like the results
My trailer pulls smoother fully loaded than it does empty. Perhaps my pin weight is less than I imagine.
I was just thinking it's better to error on the side of caution.
sasha_j wrote: Having a truck camper in the PU bed, plus, 500 lbs of trailer on the ball hitch, I have more weight back there than you guys with 5th wheel toyhaulers and weight on pin.
Yeah....that makes sense. How much is your drive axle weight when fully loaded and pulling the trailer? (maybe you've already posted it and I missed it....if so, sorry).
Tex Garcia said: "WOW,
That looks like it could have left the factory like that."
Thanks! Thats the look I was going for. I think the Ricksons or a factory equivalent should be a factory option, along with the air bags, etc. They could market them as 3750's or something. Of course, if they did that they'd probably have to change their dually designations but there are lots of folks like me (and apparently you) that really don't want a DRW for a daily driver.
Just a couple of weeks ago I spent half an hour or so watching 3 city workers trying to get the mini boulders pried out from between their rear duals on a city owned F-550. Finally told them to put a bar between the tires and between the hub and the rock/s and move the truck forward or back to use the ground as one end of a lever, the hub as the fulcrum and the rock as the end to be levered out. It worked, but between the 3 of them they had already wasted over 1 1/2 hours of city time screwing around with it. Of course, I guess they could have just driven on and let it take out somebody's windshield or worse. Guess we should be thankful for small favors, eh?
The point is, dually's, as good as they are, have drawbacks that most folks don't think about and they just aren't the right answer for some applications, even when there's enough weight involved to warrant them.
Ran wrote: How much is your drive axle weight when fully loaded and pulling the trailer? (maybe you've already posted it and I missed it....if so, sorry).
My stock LT275/70R18 Continentals were "E" rated at 3,640 lbs each.
Double that and they slightly exceed the rear axle GAWR of 7,000 lbs.
My truck's weight with camper, fully loaded and wet for trip is close
the edge, but not over:
Front axle: 5,560 lbs
Rear axle: 6,620 lbs
Rear axle when towing: 7,000 lbs and change (depends on toys, extra water, diesel and gas)
I did not want to be at the edge of my ratings with the stock tires
wanted additional safety factor beyond the OEM equipement.
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My truck's weight only, with full diesel, one passenger and light
weekend supplies:
Ran wrote: How much is your drive axle weight when fully loaded and pulling the trailer? (maybe you've already posted it and I missed it....if so, sorry).
My stock LT275/70R18 Continentals were "E" rated at 3,640 lbs each.
Double that and they slightly exceed the rear axle GAWR of 7,000 lbs.
My truck's weight with camper, fully loaded and wet for trip is close
the edge, but not over:
Front axle: 5,560 lbs
Rear axle: 6,620 lbs
Rear axle when towing: 7,000 lbs and change (depends on toys, extra water, diesel and gas)
I did not want to be at the edge of my ratings with the stock tires
wanted additional safety factor beyond the OEM equipement.
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My truck's weight only, with full diesel, one passenger and light
weekend supplies:
For what its worth...I had a 2004 2500 4x4 Short bed Cummings Larmie Quad SB w/ Toyo AT 33", 18" rims, auto rear airbags, towing a KZ 41' Toyhauler, dry hitch pin wgt 3200# trailer GW 18K #...Truck was great never had a problem, but I didn't feel comfortable in the mtns. Decided to traded in a purchased a 2008 3500 Dually 4x4 6.7 Dsl quad long bed...wow! what a difference. In my opinion if you are border line on towing wgt, traded up...of course if the bgt allows.
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