Skip, skip, skip I think you have gotten soft in ur advanced years. Dealers are there to MAKE MONEY!!!!!!! The more the better. They'll tell ya anything to make a sale, even the ability to tow a 38' Montana with a Ford F150. So I don't put much stock in anything a dealer has to say or an association they may be a member of. Anyway we must get together this summer and dicuss this over a beer or six.........
Frank & Dawn
2005 Ford Super Duty F250 Diesel 6.0L Fx4 Short Box supercab
2007 Palomino Thoroughbred F-829RK
Tucker and Sadie our 4 legged kids
Skip298: that is much the same info I was given by Andy Thompson of Can-Am trailers in London. He and a bunch of other dealers have been making their pitch to the MTO for the better part of 2 years with meetings and display units for comparison purposes. I was also told they had made many attempts to "clarify" the needs of RV'ers. In the meantime however we are left with the current mish-mash of rules and regs applicable to "commercial" operators.
The trigger for all of this is the need for the Commercial A or CDL as it's called in other parts of the world, if you have the desire to tow a triple slide trailer that is in the neighbourhood of 34' long and when loaded weighs over 10,000lbs. My trailer empty weight is well over the 4600Kg's so for me it's no choice but to get the A for now.
Today is just the tomorrow you worried about yesterday!
'04' International 4400 LoPro 310Hp/950FtLbs 10Spd Harley/RV Toter
'05' Mobile Suites 38RL3
'01' Harley Ultra in the bike barn.
Trust me...Oh, I forgot....you already know me..... I have faith in these folks..He didnt steer me wrong before and everything he has ever told me turned out to be factual and true...
I am still a bit confused. I know I need (and already have a Class A). In order to determine the RGW do I need to add the trailer and truck weights or just the truck plus the pin weight. One place on the website seems to indicate the combined weights and the section on annual stickers appears to indicate the pin weight added to the truck's loaded weight to determine the RGW. One way has me registering it at 5200 kilograms, the other works out to 11,800 kilograms and about 300 bucks annually difference between the two. No wonder people are confused.
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I saw that too...I upped my RGW to 4500Kg...over that it requires the SSC etc etc..I understand that there are some significant changes coming in the fall..I do not have the understanding either. My truck weighs just under 3000Kg and my tongue weight is about 1000Kg so I maxxed the RGW to stay legal as a personal use only and satisfy the ministries need for money......If you call the ORVDA (they have a 1 888 # which I cant find right now) check the website too..(Ontario Recreational Vehicle Dealers Association)
balvert wrote: I am still a bit confused. I know I need (and already have a Class A). In order to determine the RGW do I need to add the trailer and truck weights or just the truck plus the pin weight. One place on the website seems to indicate the combined weights and the section on annual stickers appears to indicate the pin weight added to the truck's loaded weight to determine the RGW. One way has me registering it at 5200 kilograms, the other works out to 11,800 kilograms and about 300 bucks annually difference between the two. No wonder people are confused.
My understanding is, the regestered weight of your truck needs to be at or over the gross combined weight of your truck and trailer. I registered mine very close to the GCWR of the truck, which is well over the GCW. In my case, it was the same price for GCW or just under the GCWR. This way I have no worries, if I add a few pounds or have some fluids in the black and grey tanks.
There have been many opinions about which license class is needed to pull a 5vr. Today I received a definitive answer from the MTO.
If the "axle" weight of your trailer exceeds 4600Kg, then you need a Class "A" or "A-R" License and if it's less, a Class "G" License will meet the standard.
I was contacted by Ms. Michelle Stairs of the MTO after I queried the Minister about this issue. We had a lengthy discussion on the phone. Because of the complexity of the rules and the information provided by the MTO web site, Ms. Stairs suggested that I have my truck and trailer weighed and send her copies of the weights so that she could take the information for a ruling.
I sent Ms. Stairs the results of the Weigh-in along with copies of the CAT Scale sheets.
Today I received the following email reply from Ms. Stairs.
I checked with the vehicle standards people in St. Catharine's and they confirmed that you weighed your trailer correctly. Since your trailer weight is less than 4600kg being towed, you would require a G class licence. I hope this clarifies matters for you.
Michelle Stairs
Senior Enquiry Analyst
Licensing Administration Office
416-246-7103, extension 1519
I sure hope that this issue is now put to bed.
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Prodigy Brake Controller
16K Reese Slider with a Bedsaver
Thanks George. That puts me into the G licence. Hopefully this info is clearly stated in the rumored changes coming in the fall. This calling or talking to various ministry people and getting different answers has created much frustration .
2004 Dodge 3500, Cummins HO QC SB
3.73 Dif, 48RE Auto
Line-X bed liner
Pullrite 16K Superglide, Prodigy
2004 Jayco Designer 29RLTS (33' Triple slide)
Going by the weight on the axles is pretty well what the enforcement officer told me several years ago when I bought my current trailer and was checking into the class of license I needed. He also told me that registering the truck for 3000 KG would be sufficient so with the truck registered at 3500 KG I felt pretty safe. Now I am not so sure. If I license the truck for the actual weight of the combined rig, my plates will cost almost $500 annually. Hopefully, the changes that come this fall will be clear and more geared to the RVer; if they come at all.
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