Unfortunately in Kalifornia one cannot get a ccw unless you can prove iminent danger (your life is being threatend), you cary large sums of cash or jewerly regularly, or are police or judges.
So, no one answered the other poster's question about whether a firearm is considered concealed while in the trailer. Since you can have a registered pistol in your sock drawer at home, do the same rules apply to a trailer or motorhome? Does it differ in a campground from on the road? Different rules for rifles/shotguns?
ChainReaction wrote: We have a number of customers that frequently travel to Quebec to go hunting and fishing. It is not illegal to cross the border with gun parts! So they disassemble and scatter their weapons prior to crossing and thus can't and don't get hassled.
Having crossed into Canada and Mexico on a number of occasions and being very familiar with their firearm import regulations, I would say that the above is very bad advice. I can hear a Canadian customs agent reading this thread and saying "...go ahead, make my day..."
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I don't usually carry a firearm in my trailer... But I want the option to if I feel it necessary.
I'd like to be able to get a CCW permit, but as mentioned, they are extremely difficult to come by in CA. Our 'officials' prefer that we are helpless and unable to defend ourselves.
What I don't understand is how so many law enforcement officers feel so strongly about me not being able to carry a weapon. Of course, they are allowed to carry one even when not on duty.
It's easy to say that others shouldn't do something, when you are exempted from the same rule.
Wow, great responses all.
Just for the record, I do know how to handle the 22 and would never start firing wildly without knowing what I'm shooting at. A 22 is a pretty ineffectual weapon, but it makes authoritative noise and I would hope that would be enough.
I do not anticipate needing it, but since the world seems to be so crazy these days, it would be added peace of mind to have it in the trailer. Our first line of defense remains a pair of barking dogs.
I have no need of a CCW, so it will never go in the truck, although in Florida it's perfectly legal to carry a handgun in a locked glove box or car trunk without a CCW.
We are not taking the 5er into Canada on this trip, nor would I be stupid enough to try and take a gun into Canada -- or Mexico -- in the first place.
Thanks for all the great information.
Cheers,
Magster
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While you are traveling down the road your RV be it MH, 5er, TT, whatever, comes under the Carroll Doctrine which is a USSC ruling that gives exception to LE needing a warrant due to the mobility of the vehicle being able to be moved from the scene. Once parked tho it is generally viewed as being like your residence and the requirement needed for a search warrant is generally more restrictive. Note the term "generally" as it will depend on how it's parked and the circumstances of the individual situation. There can be exceptions.
It is very rare that either I or any of my people ever searched an RV on a traffic stop. The times we did search an RV we had recognized indicators which give indications of possible drug trafficking and that the travelers weren't what they seemed such as stories that don't match or stories not fitting with where they said they were going. In one we found over $400,000 in cash heading to Mexico. The RV drivers admitted they had been paid $5000 cash to make the delivery. They didn't know what was in their RV but admitted they thought it was probably drug related. They had been approached by some people in a campground and had been offered cash to make the haul. They left the campground for the day, their new friends loaded their RV, when they returned that evening they were given an address to make the delivery, given 1/2 the payment, and would be paid in full when they arrived. In another we found 44 kilos of coke heading north. Same kind of deal. They met people in a campground and was made an offer. In both of these cases the people were normal couples in their 60s but weren't too well off financially so they looked at it as a chance to make some easy money. They definitely didn't fit what most people think of as drug couriers. In another case we got over 100 kilos of coke out of a 5er. Couple of brothers on a work crew supposedly going to their next work site or visit their sister. They couldn't agree between themselves where they were going. The one going to the next work site didn't know where that site was located or who he would be working for and he said they didn't have a sister. The one who said they were going to visit their sister couldn't remember the sister's address or which town she lived in. When he finally came up with a town they were about 500 miles from it and heading in the wrong direction. K-9s made the hit on all 3 vehicles which, along with the indicators, gave us PC to do a search.
Before searching there are recognized indicators we looked for, same as if we'd stopped a car or truck. The more indicators present the more probably cause for conducting a search. With the Carroll Doctrine ruling a search warrant is generally not needed then.
magster wrote: Just for the record, I do know how to handle the 22 and would never start firing wildly without knowing what I'm shooting at.
Remember tho - knowing WHEN to shoot is more important than knowing HOW to shoot. We can teach anyone how to shoot in a very short period of time. Not knowing WHEN to shoot can give a person a life time of problems.
I carry a 22 pistol and 12 gauge shotgun cause I like to go shooting. As I am a fulltimer they are always with me and are also there for protection. I acutally worry more about them being stolen in case of a break in.
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