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rockhillmanor

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Posted: 06/22/08 07:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

.....There.

Continue to believe that because it was a mandated state law that you had to spay your pet, that somehow you have single handedly stopped the flow of pets into shelters.


Keep the blinders on, that's exactly what they want you to do.

* This post was edited 06/22/08 10:44am by rockhillmanor *


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Hmmm.?, nice rant-worthy FYI. When I read this I got the impression that the underlying theme was that mutilating a dog so it can't breed is wrong; I agree, however, we own a non-papered German shepherd that came from a backyard breeder; so, to justify our hypocrisies, we had her spayed as soon as she reached so-called "maturity;" of course she was far too young; she was spayed before she even had a chance to go in "heat."

...now, we could go on a tangent and discuss how this damaged our dog's psyche, but I prefer to leave that in fantasy land: 'cause, who knows what a dog thinks or feels: right?

I don't know that changing livestock laws will do anything except force some people out-of-business. I realize that overpopulation of pets is a problem in some circles in this country; thus, we have animal shelters that euthanize "unwanted" cats, dogs, bunnies, rats, snakes, etc. We can choose to live with this, we can expect the government to do something, or we can do something ourselves.

What is that something that we can do to ensure responsible pet ownership? Hopefully, this thread will be a source of positive discussion that strives for solutions and stays away from blame.

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Posted: 06/22/08 08:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You feel better now that you have told everyone on here what to do?

Now get off your soapbox, I might want the wood for my campfire.

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Posted: 06/22/08 09:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Let's not end this post so quickly rockhillmanor has a very good point. Earlier this year we were looking to find a forever dog to fill the void since losing our beloved Kibbie of 14 years. We had checked out the local shelter, in addition to Mutt Matchers and (HALT) Help Animals Live Today. Mutt Matchers must access your property before you can adopt any animals to ensure it is fenced and secure. when the representatives from Mutt Matchers (Two Ladies) came out to access our property I asked a few question and I guess one was inappropriate. The next day I received a call from a woman named Sandy of Mutt Matchers who suggested that we look elsewhere to adopt because I questioned where the funds were spent. This has sure turned us off to all those pet adoption (Not for Profit) kennels as I'm sure there are some that are reputable like HALT but many others that are in it just for the money.


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rockhillmanor wrote:

Stopping the 'source' of unwanted pets, is the solution to over population of pets and overcrowding of shelters.

Yes shelters do practice spay and neuter and have been for years to try and stop further proliferating of more unwanted pets, but the 'source' of where these animals are coming from that end up in a shelter must be stopped for this cycle to ever stop.

Mandatory spay and neutering of ALL dogs on the face of the earth in the 'private sector', is not ever going to put an end to unwanted dogs being euthanzied in shelters.

BECAUSE, the puppy mills are governed by the USDA and puppy mills are licensed as livestock breeders and will and are EXCEMPT from any of these new laws that are being passed.

Stopping the 'source' of where they are all coming from will.

It's a case of closing the barn door 'after' the horse is already out.

These are arbitrary figures and in most instances are much higher, they are simply to give you an idea of the numbers......and god help me that my math is right.

1 dog 2 litters per year @ average of 4 pups per litter. = 8 dogs

100 dogs at a puppy mill = 800 dogs per year

Let's say there are 2,000 registered puppy mills in the US,
(it is a much higher number but I can not find my link to it for where you can view the licensed mills on the USDA site)
and each have 100 dogs that produce 800 dogs per year
800 dogs per year x 2,000 registered puppy mills = 1,600,000 dogs per year

How many unregistered puppy mills are there? How many backyard breeders are there? Add their input of dogs to this too.

The numbers are mind bogling on how many dogs are pumped out for profit per year, and they are NOT netured BEFORE they are sold.

Spay and neutering AFTER THE FACT does not STOP the INPUT of dogs.
STOPPING the SOURCE will.

For every dog 'bought' from a puppy mill or backyard breeder that is forced to be neutered there will be another intact one sold to take it's place. It is a never ending cycle, unless you stop the 'source' of where they are coming from.

Focusing on only just one part of this equation and allowing the government to force mandatory spay and neuter for the 'entire' dog owner population in the private sector, does absolutely nothing to stop the SOURCE of where they are coming from year after year after year, and will continue to.

Changing the USDA and AWA laws that allow puppy mills to exist is the 'only' answer.

Demanding that these facilities practice humane conditions and hefty fines if they don't comply will force all of them to go out of business, for they can not make a profit if they are forced to provide adequate kenneling and vet care.

In most instances, where that slab of red meat on your plate came from had 'more' laws in place to insure its humane treatment before it was slaughtered, than a dog that comes from a puppy mill and/or the dog that gave birth to one.

This is NOT a rant, it is an FYI

IMHO and past experience most people simply do not realize where these dogs come from and/or the conditions they endure to become a family pet.

AND the fact remains, it IS the puppy mills/backyard breeders that are filling up shelters across the US, not someone's Grandmothers 10 year old intact dog.



Amen, let's get these people and quit blaming the pets for the problem!





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Posted: 06/22/08 09:47am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Seems to me like a couple people lately are simply starting new threads to preach about something that wasn't getting enough support on an existing thread.....interesting....and especially prevalent in the Pet Forum.

Sure, I know these are emotional subjects, but..... This one's even a spin-off of a spin-off.

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Posted: 06/22/08 09:54am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

rockhillmanor wrote:

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AND the fact remains, it IS the puppy mills/backyard breeders that are filling up shelters across the US, not someone's Grandmothers 10 year old intact dog.


I disagree, intact pets (dogs and cats) that are not completely controlled by the owner have a whole lot to do with the shelter overpopulation. I know all too well what back yard breeders and puppy/kitten mills add to this out of control dilemma but we cannot single them out as the only source of the problem.

The owners with little Fifi or Fido (no matter where they got them from) that want to breed them "just once" so they can have one just like her/him certainly add to the problem as does the owners of that litter who have the same mindset.... and so it goes.

If anyone truly thinks the only cause of pet overpopulation is puppy/kitten mills and back yard breeders we will just have to agree to disagree. May I suggest you volunteer to work at your local city shelter a while and see the HUGE number of unaltered mature animals picked up or surrendered by their owners. If you ask the owners giving them up how many litters their formerly precious pet has been responsible for you would get a much better picture of what I have seen. They say "Oh only one litter a year but we found them all good homes"......... and so it goes.....


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Rockhillmanor may have been a bit strident in his post but his message is on target. I volunteer at our local humane society and I can tell you first hand that overbreeding is a huge problem. And, to my mind, the puppy mills' worst transgression is the abuse they put their animals thru for the sake of making money on often poor quality pups. The conditions these animals live in is hideous both physically and emotionally. Backyard breeders may not subject their animals to such bad conditions, but they are quite often breeding sub-standard animals and producing sub-standard pups. And lets not let the owner who wants a litter for whatever reason or is just too irresponsible to have their pet neutered off the hook, either. I would say a high percentage of our dogs come from that situation - just about all of the surrendered pets at our shelter are not neutered - it is rare to get one that is. As for shelters, some are better than others, too. 4asong, it is too bad you had an unpleasant experince with that particular organization, but please don't let it turn you off all shelters. Most of us work really hard to provide the best care we can and do our best to find suitable homes for the animals that wind up in our shelters. Our shelter is financed partly by both the city & county, the volunteers raise the rest of the needed funds (about half of what it takes to operate, I would judge). Right now, we are offering our adult dogs for $25 each and that includes all shots up to date, rabies, spay/neuter (required) and microchip. We have some really great dogs, too, including some purebreds!! We are losing money on each dog but figure that is better than having to euthanize some wonderful pets!! And I can't even tell you how may cats & kittens we have right now!! With the same package, except for the chip, they are $15. It is positively heartbreaking! So please do go to a sheltr or rescue group for your next pet and do whatever you can to encourage spay/neuter policies and shutting down puppy mills. Those of us who work for the animals will appreciate it and so will the pets!!


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whimstock wrote:

Seems to me like a couple people lately are simply starting new threads to preach about something that wasn't getting enough support on an existing thread.....interesting....and especially prevalent in the Pet Forum.

Sure, I know these are emotional subjects, but..... This one's even a spin-off of a spin-off.


LOL

FYI... my so called "spin off" was at the suggestion of one our real moderators.



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