pronstar
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Keith99RS wrote:Show me a gasoline powered car in the US that compares to a VW Jetta wagon and gets 50mpg. That is why Euro diesels out sell their gas counter parts. To get 50mpg here on gas you are either in a golfcart sized compact or hybrid and neither has much room for 4 adults
I didn't know we were in disagreement.
Cheaper fuel + better efficiency = way more diesel sales.
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Keith99RS
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pronstar wrote:Keith99RS wrote:Show me a gasoline powered car in the US that compares to a VW Jetta wagon and gets 50mpg. That is why Euro diesels out sell their gas counter parts. To get 50mpg here on gas you are either in a golfcart sized compact or hybrid and neither has much room for 4 adults
I didn't know we were in disagreement.
Cheaper fuel + better efficiency = way more diesel sales.
I do. Just saying diesels popularity in Europe has more to it than just diesel being cheaper.
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C'Mon, GM, bring back the 8.1 in the HD pickups!!!!
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Many making statement about the fuel cost difference between gas and diesel. Compute the cost per mile and you may be surprised of the outcome. It only takes a couple of miles more per gallon to make up the difference in price differential. Even with the reduction in mileage due to diesel emissions, I would suspect a diesel will give you a couple or more miles per gallon over gas.
IMO, a penney or two per miles driven for the EXTRA power is well worth it.
Now lets assume you provide a diesel with EQUAL power of a gasser!!!!! Little doubt that differential in mileage will be MUCH more than any gasser.
I agree the gasser has less odor over the diesel, but with the newer rigs, not by much.
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Diesel engine production will increase greatly in just a few years. The reason being that bio diesel production is ready to explode. It can be made from numerous plant and residue sources economically. The power often greater than petroleum sources.
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JIMNLIN
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moparmaga2 wrote:The previous two posters are basically saying what I am saying. Our 5.3 Chevrolet Crew Cab Truck can get 21 MPG on the highway. A light duty diesel MAY get 25.
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the wifes 1500 crew cab 5.3 doesn't get anyway near 21 mpgs or any of our neighbors. We have long commutes out here so all our milage is highway and rural roads. Her truck runs 16-17 mpgs on the roads as mentioned.
Most folks out here prefere the diesel in a LDT as most will average 20-23 mpgs (Cummins/PSD/DMAX) on our long commutes plus the truck does double duty as a tow/haul vehicle. The 2500 diesel is without a doubt the most popular size as its quite a bit lighter than a 3500 DRW truck. City/urban folks have a different need and a gas truck may work better for their driving needs.
A 1500 diesel make very good sense/cents as it will get 25+ mpgs and make a very stout tow vehicle for 1500 sized loads.
200 hp with 400+ ft lbs of torque in a little 1500 truck, and 25-28 or better mpgs ?? There will be a place for that vehicle right im my garage
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Rob_NC
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8.1 Van wrote:With the 2010 diesel emission regulations the diesel will get less mpg like the 2008's and cost more so it will not have a cost advantage over a gas engine like they did 5 years ago.
I think (hope) you will be pleasantly surprised with the 2010 engines, particularly those using SCR. I am currently testing OTR engines with SCR and we're seeing a dramatic fuel economy increase. The additional cost for urea is negligible at less than a half cent per mile.
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“While SCR is a means to achieve the NOx reduction requirement for 2010, it comes with a steep cost to our customers. Our ability to achieve our goals without adding customer cost and inconvenience is a competitive advantage for International.”
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I seem to recall that the 6.7 Cummins already meets 2010 standards...and the Ford 6.4 will for 2009.
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Jarlaxle wrote:I seem to recall that the 6.7 Cummins already meets 2010 standards...and the Ford 6.4 will for 2009.
Yes, it does, but without the SCR technology that Ford will use that promises substantial mpg gains.
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