Seems like this is a great opportunity to teach the kids consideration of others, rather than just saying, "Oh well, quiet hours are over too bad for anyone who may be disturbed." And that is what the OP seems to be saying and doing.
No, that's not what I'm saying and doing. If it were, then I wouldn't have bothered to ask on this forum. I would have just done whatever I wanted, or let the kids do whatever they want.
Actually that is exactly what you posted, maybe not what you are doing. You have been quite satisfied that once the majority stated that noise was OK after quiet hours you said OK. But you also said you percieved them as too noisey. So, by your own admission they are too noisey at 7:00 AM, but since quiet hours are over, then you are happy letting them make the noise that you claim is "too noisey."
I can only go by what you originally wrote, which is probably more accurate than what you are now trying to portray. And what you wrote is unacceptable, since you are allowing your children to be "too noisey" at an early hour knowing full well it is disturbing behavior.
But just like obnoxious dog owners whose animals are perfect in their own eyes, obnoxious parents likewise believe the same about their children.
Wayne, you sound like a real moron. Someday I hope you get the privilidge to camp beside me and my boys and I hope...just hope that you speak your mind to me about my boys "loud behavior". You might want to try boondocking.
Actually, sir, with two Master's Degrees, I am anything but a moroon. I am, however, a realist. Actually, camping next to you and your respectful, considerate boys would be, in fact, a privilege I would enjoy. It is an honor that children bestow upon us adults when their eyes light up when they understand a lesson of life that we have taught them. Perhaps I could unravel a little mystery of nature for them that they can then keep forever and share with others. However, anyone, kids or adults, making loud, unnecessary noise at anytime of the day or night is rude and inconsiderate.
There are many posts in this forum, and even references in this thread, about obnoxious behavior by adults making loud, unnecessary noises. Everyone agrees that this is inconsiderate behavior, and the offending parties should be corrected, even expelled, by campground management.
I find that children making the same degree of loud, unnecessary noise is likewise inconsiderate behavior. Of course they are children and may not initially know better, but their parents should make that behavior a learning experience, not a discipilinarian experience, and explain that certain behaviors may well infringe on others, and to be CONSIDERATE, they should only engage in behaviors that do not disturb others. Just because they are children does not otherwise explain or even excuse unacceptable behavior.
Of course this involves parents actually parenting and setting boundaries, as well as acknowledging that they and their children are not the centers of themselves, and also the children are not empowered to do whatever they want without regard for others. Parents are also often too self absorbed to invest the necessary time and energy to accomplish such goals. I suppose that inconsiderate parents would not even recognize inconsiderate behavior their children may engage in.
Wayne, you stated your case very well and I apologize for flying off the cuff and calling you a moron. And yes, you would love to camp next to me because I have brought my boys up to be very respectful of others and to not be little "hethens".
No apology needed, and hopefully we just might be camping together. And no, your kids can't come back to their campsite yet, we are learning about the rocks in the campground, actually studying geology, and I don't know who is having more fun (or learning more), me or the kids.
While mine were up at daybreak, they had to be quiet until the end of quiet hours. Usually they'd be involved with puzzles, books, and hand-held games for a few hours while I quietly got breakfast started and enjoyed a peaceful cup of coffee.
Being a light sleeper in a PUP is a challenge at any time for me! Even crickets drive me crazy. lol I do love the sound of nature coming through the canvas though.
The kids and I tend to stay up later than at home. Bedtime at home for the kids is 8:00-8:30 school nights and 10:00-11:00 on breaks (depending how they are behaving and they ususally tell me when they are tired). When we camp, we stay up until after 10:00 usually.
My son is up by 7am at home any day no matter how late his gets to bed, but at camp, he'll sleep well past 9am. It really is funny how deeply he sleeps. It's the opposite with my daughter as that while at home she's the late sleeper, but camping is up by 7:30am. She'll read a book or play her Nintendo while I'm snoozing until 8am or so then we quietly get things going and walk the dog trying not to wake up our Sleeping Handsome.
Surrounding campsites are usually more active than ours and I appreciate the fact that we all don't have the same body clocks and may not have the same schedules and want to enjoy the outdoors while we are there.
Sometimes the adults are louder than children during the night and in the morning!
The one thing that gets me is the early morning campsite "breakers". Can't you leave a couple of hours later, please? Yea, I'm dreaming.
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I'm usually the only one up before 7am and sometimes unless I start making noise to get the others up and going then sometimes they've slept until 9am. I would be respectful if they are loud to wait until quiet hours are over unless they can play quietly. Also, I would be respectly of being loud anytime during the daylight hours also because even with kids others are trying to enjoy their vacation too.
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I want to add my opinion. Not that it is worth anything to anyone here but just the same here it is.
I have two children. I know children can be loud. I have raised them well I think and they are respectful of other people and they love to camp. However they are still kids. Kids can be loud when not even meaning too. Also people can't assume that because one person likes to get up at 6am that everyone does. I love to sleep in - even when, no especially when I am camping. Its a little vacation for me and I want to rest. I don't stay out late getting drunk and being loud I just enjoy sleeping in. Most campgrounds I have stayed in have quiet hours over at 7am. I like to sleep until around 8am and my kids can easily sleep till that long. We tent camp and you can hear everything. Please don't assume that because it is 7:30 and you are up that everyone else wants to be too.
Bottom line for everyone is to be midful of others. I say 9am is a good time to let them loose. By all mean let them out before but please keep them at your site and quiet for just a bit. Nothing ruins my day like waking up way earlier than I intended by loud incosiderate people. And just for the record I have never once been awakened by loud kids but I have been woken up by loud adults who don't care about anyone but themselves.
My kiddos are all up between 6:30 and 7ish. I keep them in and feed them and get them dressed (ages 9mos, 3yrs, and 4yrs) then we go out. Its closer to 7:30 or 8 at that time. However on our last camping trip my hubby was the one up and loud and waking everyone up around 7....I told him to keep it down he was waking up our neighbors.
I am the early riser at our campsite. Then son, then daughter get up. Mom would love to sleep till lunch... Anyways...
As a general "rule of thumb" for us, we have always told the kids to be quiet until at least 8:00AM. If most of the campground is not up and around by then, our kids keep it down until 9:00AM. This can vary depending on the campground, and where our campsite is in the campground.
My kids usually like to ride bikes early in the morning. I just remind them to not shout to each other while riding.
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Us and our friends usually are not up until 8 or later. We start to get b-fast ready and such. I however, am not up until 10 or after. but then again I'm not an adult and don't have all the responsibilities
Even if people are up around me, they usually aren't "awake" yet.....I think most adults ENJOY a little quiet time when they first get up in the early a.m.
Soooo, I usually let my kids get up about 8:00 and sit QUIETLY by the fire until 9:00.....By then, my neighbors are all moving about and usually through with their quiet time cup of coffee.
At home, the rules (law) says I can start my lawnmower, leaf blower, weed whacker and even my chainsaw, after 6:00 a.m. even on Sunday....Doesn't mean I will though......I respect my neighbors, they respect me.
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We have camped with children in a tent and a TT. It is much easier to keep the children inside and relatively quiet in a TT. Anyone who has tent camped knows as soon as the warm sun beats on the tent it is hard for anyone to sleep and even more difficult to keep everyone quiet until the "right" time to exit the tent. That being said if the happy noises of children playing bother you than ask at your reservation for a location NOT near the playground. The only time I have had a problem with the morning noise is when we asked for a tent site near the playground and they practically put us in the playground, therefor when we had some early morning risers take their children to the playground so not to bother their TT neighbors they actually woke an entire family of tenters. They were very apologetic, but in truth I asked for that site. Lesson learned :-)
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