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rocmoc

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Posted: 07/10/08 11:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Moisheh agree they pay something for permits, fees & licenses. But not the traditional road tax via fuel like USA fuel purchasing vehicles. Who knows if it works out to be the same, less or more.

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The International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA) is a single system for collecting and distributing fuel taxes based on where fuel is consumed rather than where it is purchased. IFTA simplifies fuel tax registration and reporting requirements for
inter-jurisdictional motor carriers, such as truckers who travel frequently to other provinces or into the United States.

Under IFTA, carriers register with their base jurisdiction and receive an IFTA licence and decals allowing them to travel through other IFTA member jurisdictions. Please see Register for a Carrier Licence for more information about registering.

Registered carriers file a single quarterly fuel tax return and make payment to their base jurisdiction. The base jurisdiction processes the return and forwards funds to, or requests funds from, each jurisdiction for net fuel taxes. Please see How to File for more information on filing an IFTA tax return.

IFTA jurisdictions currently include all Canadian provinces and American states, with the exception of Alaska, the District of Columbia, and Hawaii. The Yukon Territory, Nunavut, Northwest Territories and Mexico are also currently not members of IFTA.

Commercial motor vehicle means a motor vehicle that is used interprovincially or internationally for the commercial carriage of passengers or goods and that:

has two axles and a gross vehicle weigh or registered gross vehicle weight exceeding 11,800 kg (26,000 lbs), or

has three or more axles regardless of weight, or
when combined with the trailer with which it is used, has a gross vehicle weight in excess of 11,800 kg (26,000 lbs)
but does not include a recreational vehicle


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This is just one of the taxes, Arizona Hwy use tax at the rate of .26 per gallon and you have to file a quarterly report of miles per state driven and fuel purchased in each state to receive credit for the tax paid at the pump. Then Arizona also has a Motor Carrier Tax, not the same as the fuel tax, that is filed at the same time and the Federal Hwy Use tax that is filed on IRS form 2290. These also do not include your Base-plate and if it's not apportioned the you have to by a permit at the port of entry and you'll get hit foe all taxes then for your entry and exit from the state.

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Great post AZ Mike. Do we know if we come out even, ahead or behind on the dollars?

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Actually none of this has anything to do with the original post but it all helps to pay for our roads. Now when it comes to the none commercial users like you and me I'm happy that we can come and go from state to state and country to country without all of the Motor Carrier regulations. Their is a problem starting in Lukeville where ADOT is having US Customs send vehicles entering the US with extra fuel tanks to the secondary inspection lanes. ADOT is waiting in the secondary lanes where they charge state taxes and a $25 administration fee. I truly believe they are wrong for doing this!

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In terms of the ULSD, why not take a couple of samples from different border locations and have them tested? That would put an end to whether it is or it isn't. JMHO


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While testing is a good suggestion, if there is no requirement to go to ULSD what's stopping them from putting a load of regular diesel into the underground tank following a load of ULSD, or mixing a tanker load half and half?

I recall that there was a phase in period in Canada for the ULSD to allow the underground tanks, transport tankers and distribution pipelines to be flushed of the sulfur to allow the parts per million specification for ULSD to be met.

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Lots of controversy in all of the above, but not necessarily relevant to the question. I have personal experience using and observing the newer Dodges, GM pickups, and Fords in Mexico over the winter. NOT ONE of the dozen or so I've been monitoring have had a single day of trouble. This is not surprising, because tests by the EPA prior to the 2007 model year proved absolutely that the DPF system is UNAFFECTED by the use of higher sulfur fuels until the vehicle has been using that fuel for AT LEAST 40,000 miles. There's no longer any doubt. You will NOT have a problem using the Mexican diesel.

The vehicle with the most miles on it that I am aware of, a Dodge located on the Baja, has been using Mexican diesel for more than 30,000 miles already. I am also aware of 2 GM pickups that travelled to the Yucatan and back last winter.

If anyone wants links to the technical papers from the EPA, send me a personal message.

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Ed, what you say may be true as far as the use of LSD in a ULSD compliant engine, however, what the manufactures say is also true. The manufactures are saying, that if they find LSD in a 2007 and newer ULSD compliant engine, or if they can prove you used LSD in that engine, your engine warranty is void. That to me is plain and simple, and says it all, as the cost of a new ISL Cummins engine is not figured into my retirement budget, if I were driving one of the newer engines.


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It is true, Texan, that a suspicious engine related warranty claim in the USA or Canada, accompanied by anything other than ULSD in the tank, could run into warranty denial problems for those who own 2007.5+ diesels. However, the risk is very tiny. LOTS of these trucks have been in and out of Mexico over the past 15 months and I have never found an instance on any diesel forum of a problem caused by higher sulfur fuels. If someone can find such an instance, and post a link, I would be pleased to investigate.

One of the development engineers for the Duramax told me during a telephone discussion in mid-2007 that they had been unable to cause a sulfur poisoning situation on their test truck during development. The EPA testing, and the practical experience in the field since then, confirms that it is not a problem.

The REAL engineering reason that ULSD is mandated, is related to emissions. EPA tests show that the oxygen catalyst which precedes the DPF in the exhaust line will create excessive amounts of sulfur compounds when there is more than 15ppm sulfur present in the fuel. These sulfur compounds, including sulfuric acid, are then expelled as particulate emissions and cause the total emissions from the tailpipe to exceed the EPA requirements.

In terms of noticing any difference in performance while using higher sulfur Mexican fuel, the regeneration cycle can occasionally be very smoky as the sulfur compounds are burned out of the DPF. Don't be surprised to see lots of white smoke for about ten minutes when a regeneration occurs. Other than this, there will be NO other symptoms.

I'm not counselling anyone to defy the instructions in the vehicle owner's manual. All I want is to ensure that accurate information is out there. The bottom line is, the use of ULSD is mandated almost entirely for emissions reasons, and not because any damage will be done to the emissions system. Of course, as mentioned in my earlier post, using high sulfur fuels continuously for more than 40,000 miles will begin to cause a measurable drop in the efficiency of the DPF. Continuing to use high sulfur fuel after this point MIGHT cause clogging and make the DPF unable to do its job.

At this stage though, despite my extensive study and monitoring of this subject since early 2007, I have still not been made aware of a single emissions system failure due to the use of higher sulfur fuel. If it was a problem, there would have been hundreds, maybe thousands, of failures by now because until recently BOTH LSD and ULSD were avaialable in the USA. Some owners will have been accidentally or deliberately filling up with LSD since the engines first reached the marketplace, but there has been no problem.

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