ralexis
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PackerBacker wrote:okiebryan wrote:Residential toilet? Bypass holding tank? What a bunch of crap.
Not if their plan is to stay in one place all the time. There are some seasonals in our campground that are set up this way. Of course if they plan to move around alot then it's not practical.
Hey packerbacker
Using your rationale, they may as well remove the hitch, wheels and tail lights too. Sounds like they need a condo or mobile home or something other than a camper. Dumping a black/grey tank is super easy if you're already hooked-up. Just MHO.
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Butch50
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jason_rving wrote:chatwithu35 wrote:Hi we bought a 2009 Wilderness last week and are taking it to our lake lot next week as soon as power, water and septic are all installed. My question was do any of you have your RV hooked up directly to the septic? By reading the book it looks like we still have to use the black and then empty it into the septic.....wouldn't this be a hassle or not? I was hoping we could hook up the toilet right to the septic but not sure. Thanks for any advice
I have a set up exactly like this at our lake lot. You can leave the gray water valves open all the time. Keep the black water tank valve closed and empty it every other day or so when in use. Rinse the tank (if you have an a kit installed) and add a few new gallons of fresh water to the black tank. You'll want to make sure you plumb in a P-trap on your permanent sewer line just under the ground past your RV inlet. The P-trap will keep the septic gases out of the RV so your gray valves can stay open without making your fiver smell like "stinky" (to borrow my kids word).
You don't need to add a "P" trap as all of your gray tank units already have a "P" trap in them. The kitchen sink, vanity sink and the shower all have their "P" traps already intstalled in the tailer. The only one you don't have a "P" trap in is the toilet and that is sealed with water on top of the flush valve. The only way you would get any sewer gas into he unit is if your "P" traps dried out from a long period of time in hot weather wthout you using it. If you are going to be gone for a long period of time and think they mght dry out just close off the gray valve. It is no different than what we have to do with our floor drain in our basement of our house. Every once in a while I'll pour some water down the drain just to fill the trap up to stop sewer gas from coming back into the house..
We have been living in our 5er full time for the last 2 years and have never had to close the gray valve and their is no "P" trap under the ground in the park. We keep our black tank vlave closed till I dump and then flush it and close the valve and then add water to it and we are good again for about 10 days.
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We will be leaving it parked at our lot at the lake.....thanks everyone! 
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You have to close the valve even if you have it hooked up to the septic tank. I learned that lesson a number of years ago. If you keep it open not only will you get a bad smell but, you will also get little flying bugs coming out of the toilet not to mention getting plugged up.
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I see you just joined the site. Many have posted what to do.
The reason for this action (keep black valve closed), over a SHORT period of time, you can have a build up of solids, once it hardens, it can be very difficult to break-up.
Even if you flush with plenty of water after each use.
Maintaining a larger quantity of water in the black tank will disperse the solids much more.
I realize this this does not answer you question, however, I thought I would amplify why others made those comments.
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ralexis wrote:PackerBacker wrote:okiebryan wrote:Residential toilet? Bypass holding tank? What a bunch of crap.
Not if their plan is to stay in one place all the time. There are some seasonals in our campground that are set up this way. Of course if they plan to move around alot then it's not practical.
Hey packerbacker
Using your rationale, they may as well remove the hitch, wheels and tail lights too. Sounds like they need a condo or mobile home or something other than a camper. Dumping a black/grey tank is super easy if you're already hooked-up. Just MHO.
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Since they have already purchased their unit, it is immaterial whether a park model would be better, and they already have a lake lot with utilities so I think a condo is out. and yes, they probably could remove the wheels/tires and get some money for them if they want to.
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jason_rving
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Butch50 wrote:jason_rving wrote:chatwithu35 wrote:Hi we bought a 2009 Wilderness last week and are taking it to our lake lot next week as soon as power, water and septic are all installed. My question was do any of you have your RV hooked up directly to the septic? By reading the book it looks like we still have to use the black and then empty it into the septic.....wouldn't this be a hassle or not? I was hoping we could hook up the toilet right to the septic but not sure. Thanks for any advice
I have a set up exactly like this at our lake lot. You can leave the gray water valves open all the time. Keep the black water tank valve closed and empty it every other day or so when in use. Rinse the tank (if you have an a kit installed) and add a few new gallons of fresh water to the black tank. You'll want to make sure you plumb in a P-trap on your permanent sewer line just under the ground past your RV inlet. The P-trap will keep the septic gases out of the RV so your gray valves can stay open without making your fiver smell like "stinky" (to borrow my kids word).
You don't need to add a "P" trap as all of your gray tank units already have a "P" trap in them. The kitchen sink, vanity sink and the shower all have their "P" traps already intstalled in the tailer. The only one you don't have a "P" trap in is the toilet and that is sealed with water on top of the flush valve. The only way you would get any sewer gas into he unit is if your "P" traps dried out from a long period of time in hot weather wthout you using it. If you are going to be gone for a long period of time and think they mght dry out just close off the gray valve. It is no different than what we have to do with our floor drain in our basement of our house. Every once in a while I'll pour some water down the drain just to fill the trap up to stop sewer gas from coming back into the house..
We have been living in our 5er full time for the last 2 years and have never had to close the gray valve and their is no "P" trap under the ground in the park. We keep our black tank vlave closed till I dump and then flush it and close the valve and then add water to it and we are good again for about 10 days.
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Good thoughts but I stand by my recomendation for exactly as you describe. The toilet has no P trap. So even when you momentarily flush it a lot of smelly sewer gas from the septic system can flood your WC with a rancid smell. The P trap I installed cost me all of about $4 in parts.
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I'm not familar with the unit you have but in my 5th wheel the toilet pipe goes thru the basement (it's about 2 ft high) If I were keeping my unit parked there probably for life? I would put in a residential toilet and cut the 3" pipe off and make it permenant to the septic system. Changing the toilet would be easy and you'd get rid of the odors that escape when flushing.
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