WTTCS wrote: Serena, since I agree with your post 100%, our voice means little to the ones who do not , nor can comprehend what you are trying to say. Perhaps that is our problem, that we do understand, but cannot communicate it to the others that do not understand the message.
Keep in mind, that if the receiving ear doesnt like the message, attack the messenger!
Whoa. Look what a little insomniac pondering brings me, lol. My attitude is not good, I should seek other forums, quite petting the sweaty things, express the differences in experience more politely, and be nicer to the newbs.
I think I was only saying that it's a very different experience, and as you go along it gets even more different than that. Heh - WTTCS, I think you called it. I just made the classic error of trying to describe this end of the elephant to the blind guy on the other end, and he's pretty sure I'm wrong.
Imagine how boring this place would be if we all thought the same things, and all had the same point of view. Diversity is what it is...and it makes life interesting!!
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Serena wrote: Whoa. Look what a little insomniac pondering brings me, lol. My attitude is not good, I should seek other forums, quite petting the sweaty things, express the differences in experience more politely, and be nicer to the newbs.
I think I was only saying that it's a very different experience, and as you go along it gets even more different than that. Heh - WTTCS, I think you called it. I just made the classic error of trying to describe this end of the elephant to the blind guy on the other end, and he's pretty sure I'm wrong.
Serena I think you presented a good reality look at things if one caught on, but there are different reality's because we are all different. All experiences are noted or should be. We all at some point started our journeys with enthusiasm and excitement and like me and finally settled into the lifestyle. In my case the moon shining through a vent can be a positive thing and rarely care if it's dirty, only when I can't see the moon through it. I personally have been through some issues in recent time sthat I've come to enjoy all those things again. So I guess I ask for us who've been around the "curve" we should not offer the positive, negative and guidance to others? Sure. I and many have never divorced ourselves from the world or reality. Reality has been with me every mile I've traveled and every place I've lived.
Remember we all see things differently. What excites one may not another. Both ends of the spectrum need to be presented. In the end everyone meets the objective they were after......or they didn't. Reality has always traveled with me. It does with everyone whether they like it or not. Reality is what you and I as individuals make it. I try my best to make it positive. The alternative is not something I desire. You have a valued opinion as well as us all. We just have to disseminate it all and decide if the lifestyle is for us or not. As you elude to you must look beyond the new gadgets and spreadsheets. We all see life differently. For some the moon through the vent shines for a long time. Some not. In my case it does and continues to do so. All facets and experiences need to be presented so others can make their own decisions. Your was a good view for those who understood it, but those who haven't been there yet and want the details should be given them. Good and bad. The questions no matter how serious, simple or clouded will be endless, always. That's part of human nature.
Obviously there is more to this lifestyle than new toys and gadgets and thrill. Most find out as they proceed. I had a dream and lived it and still do. Others haven't. There is no right or wrong, but reality goes with us no matter where and how we go. As you said it can't be dodged. Those who think differently will find out early on.
Nobody's blind. Some just see things differently, but the other end of the elephant needs to be presented.. I personally keep my reality in check and stay happy by not looking at the elephants "beehind", but no matter where you live or how the elephant will rear it's other end and you have to deal with it..
Bottom line we all do what makes us happy and when we're no longer happy? We as humans move on to something else in search of a new happiness. In my case it's easily done with a road trip.
I appreciate everyones views. We should all be eager to help others either way. They can then make their own decisions. Your way, Wacky's way or my way is not the correct way. It's what suits us all each individually. My dad always told me growing up..."son do NOT live up to the expectations of others. Live up to your own".
Actually if you think about we are ALL right and nobody is wrong.
I for one greatly appreciate the information from these forums. No, I am not yet there as far as fulltiming but preparing to give it a go.
I really have learned a lot here and although I see many post that paint a rosy picture and just say do it I realize there are trials and tribulations to this lifestyle just like any other and I also actually like to hear those sides of the fence as well as it really helps to prepare and maybe try to avoid the pitfalls that could be encountered.
As I look at the economic issues that are a reality in our lives today I do wonder if making a living on the road is perhaps as feasible as maybe a few years ago. Many jobs that are attractive to the lifestyle could possibly be in less demand due to the recreation and tourism industry suffering the effects of slowdown and cutbacks from the current economic woes.
Also as many businesses cut back and you have more displaced workers those workers may be more of a competition as they seek ANY work locally to feed their families which also those of us looking at moving to this lifestyle have an interst in hearing from those already out there.
So most all topics do have valuable information for us wanna be's whether good or bad in which to make decisions on our outlooks and to make our expectations realistic.
Thanks for all the information you guy's and girl's provide!
I have to agree that our concerns are in many cases are very different from the weekend Rvers.
We spent most of a couple of summers in an RV park that catered to seasonals and weekend campers. A lot of their issues and concerns were not the same as ours but we still made good friends that we are still in touch with.
I guess I don't see why realizing that as full timers we tend to think that some things are important that others don't and vice-versa should be considered a bad thing.
Maybe I didn't read Serena's post properly but as I understand it I don't know why some of you folks had a problem with it.
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Serena can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what she's saying is full-timing doesn't make the world go away and we still even as full-timers have to deal with the day to day issues is all. Some that may even lead to yet another change even. The lifestyle is not all a Disneyland atmosphere as some have eluded. Then again it just may be for some no?. Either way we still have the same things to deal with in every day life trust me! How we do it is up to us individually. I think her point was good in that life doesn't change nor does the reality in becoming a full-timer, just the way we do things. For me attitude plays a huge role. I've met a many in campgrounds who have come to meet me and were ready to head straight to the RV dealer, buy a rig and drive off never to return leaving the day to day of life behind for a carnival atmosphere giving no thought to it lol! Well obviously I had to do some educating and make some recommendations and suggestions lol! If they then chose to do so then so be it.
I think you've got part of it Firedude in each of your posts of this. I think what she was getting at is that our view of the world is influenced by out lifestyle. So when you come here and read some of the comments from the vacationers they just don't really fit into our view. I've pointed this out before - a lot of times the negative questions/posts come from vacationers rather than fulltimers.
Course their view is welcome - often gives us a chance to think and and respond to something that we'd never think of because of our different viewpoints
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IMO, basically what she was saying is that people who post on this forum, for the huge majority of them, post problems that affect the vacationers, weekends, and do not really represent the fulltimers. A lot of the present fulltimers who do post on here, are what some would refer to as newbies.
I think she is saying that until you stop and smell the roses or live the life every day, 24 hrs a day, you just do not realize what fulltiming is all about. I too see posts that amuse me from the newcomers and the wannabes, such as money worries. It appears this forum and some others have become blindsided by the materialistic part of rving, that in our mind, is the last thing that enters into the mix. Whether you are poor or rich, to me, does not matter, it is the freedom and the lifestyle that matters most. Many I know disagree with that chain of thought, but to me, money is only what you must have to survive, not the determing factor of if you can or not. She makes a strong point on repairs to our everyday "house". Yet , time and time again, we see posts that lament rvs staying in shops for days, and weeks , some even months. My god, what would a fulltimer do in that situation?, or even let it happen. Post after post complain about fuel, food, prices, etc. Isnt that what this is all about, adapting to the lifestyle? And the post regarding living in two different worlds is exactly correct. Remember the recent post regarding weekends and holidays, or how about the questions in campgrounds and resorts? When you reach the junction in fulltiming that apparently she has and most of us have, you see the difference in questions , parks, reviews, etc. Good or bad, right or wrong, there is a different world that we fulltimers live in, and IMO, like it or not, we have to learn to exist in our world, rather than the other world of rving. Truth is, this is a complex, different, ongoing lifestyle that fits a very few of us, and the coming and going of "fulltimers" on this forum , surely represents that.
I personally welcomed her post and would like to see furthur discussions relating to fulltiming, rather than what it takes to become one. Finding that niche in life is what dreams are made of and thought of. Finding it, though, appears to be the real problem for many. Nothing wrong with the questions that are present daily, as it keeps us all thinking and planning and helps along the way, but very few really fulltime questions are discussed on here , in relation to the fulltimer forums elsewhere.
Enough, that should implode some posts and bring others along.
Well put Wacky. We do need all views and sides for everyone to disseminate things to make a decision. In all fairness though full-timing means many different things to many people. Again there are NO rules to abide by only the rules we set for ourselves. All we can do is offer out view of what that might be like in our own unique situations knowing it doesn't fit all. I kinda fit into Wacky's realm and Serena's realm with a squeeze here and there and many don't. Like Wacky has even said, they started out in a pickup camper and I even see that today so it can be done, it just goes back to individuality and everyone's situation is different. There surely is nothing wrong in pointing out the hazards and negatives ALONG with the positives on your specific full-time style of doing it. The way a person elects to full-time is up to them, not me.
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