OzarkPreacher wrote: Don't agree with it. I AM NOT a Busch fan but everybody ought to be able to run what they brung.
That is the way I feel also. The only reason for any restrictions ought to be safety, not "to enhance competition". If that is what they are after, why not make everyone drive the exact same car tuned exactly the same way? That would make things more "competitive".
That's pretty much what their doing,level match racing. In sailboat racing the 12 meter America's Cup boats got so expensive that noone wanted to sponsor them, so they switched to one design. NASCAR is close to that, because of the cost to owners. The Indy 500 used to be a race where all kinds of new technology was introduced, gas turbines, turbo diesels,rear engines. That no longer exists, they too have one design parity, mostly to be able to field enough cars to make it interesting and to make it affordable for sponsors. It is a business, without the competitors profitability, nothing could happen.
The new "Cars of Tomorrow" reflect that exactly.
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Based on this sanctioning body I'm not in the least bit surprised. The days of everyone using the same rules and building a superior product in which to compete and win are gone. It is no longer acceptable to "WIN" through superior engineering in order to promote your product on it's merits. If motorsports wants to base it's competition on the popularity of it's drivers only...then go to spec go karts with briggs and stratton engines and run them on 1/8 mile tracks for 20 miles and then have a fist fight when it's over.
It would serve the same purpose and would be just about as exciting as this manufactured entertainment that is promoted as autosports. And I'm not picking just on Nascar..I'm talking all motorsports that have adopted the "equal cars" formula.....It used to be that motorsports stimulated the imagination of what could be technology wise and showcased by the drivers...now it just stimulates the emotions of who's the most popular and who has the most radical paint scheme for a particular event.
I've given up on autosports across the board...well maybe there's hope for ALMS...they at least seem to have real racing in a cross section of equipment and manufactures.....
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Everyone here brings good info to this forum. I loved the days of unlimited road racing, the Mille Migila, Mexico 1000, LeMans 24 hour etc.The rule was the car must be available for the public to purchase.
Carroll Shelby's 427 Cobra was a successful development in that era. It was offered by every Ford dealer. I bought one used for $3000.00 in 1968,that's another story. In the road racing days not only were the fatalities high among drivers, they decimated folks and live stock along the courses. Sterling Moss and Mario Andretti were outstanding at it but it ceased to exist because of the carnage I guess. The car makers did not want to be associated with the headlines,kill on Sunday did not go with sell on Monday. I'm sure their legal departments were a big factor in ending road racing.
Fist fights used to be a frequent part of NASCAR. Profit, marketing and legal forced that to cease. I'm happy about that, uncontroller anger has no place in good competition except boxing etc. By necessity everything changes, I enjoy the historic and look forward to the future, the one constant; everything we know and understand changes constantly. I remember when John Unitas was the Quarterback for the Baltimore Colts he set a record that will prolly never be broken. He had the highest percentage of tackles made on the guys who intercepted his passes.Those were the days!
NASCAR has degraded to pretty much spec car racing with different sponsors on the body since the "car of tomorrow" debuted. I enjoy the racing enough but it doesn't pull me in like in the 90's. Next thing NASCAR will do is be total spec right down to engines and have different decals to represent manufacturers. If I can make my car faster within the rules, then the rules should not change to slow me down to keep things fair. It just shows that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the rules exceptions.
If you do not understand the precise definition of 'roll couple', and the way it determines the 'handling' performance of the racecar, then you can not appreciate how it is that Nascar racing produces some of the best enduro-type racing that the fans have ever seen. AND, this is done regardless of ALL the specifications and limitations which they have put in place.
As long as NASCAR allows the crewchief and the crew members the freedom to adjust the chassis suspension, during pitstops, in anticipation of exactly how the traction character of the racetrack surface WILL change during the run,...... I will remain OK with everything else they do.
Be aware, that one of the key issues to the above statements is that the subject adjustments NOT be adjustable from the cockpit.
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NASCAR has been touting "manufacturer parity" for years.
For those who think this is something new then you must be new to the sport.
Weekly rules changes were the norm back in the 90s, and up until about 2003~2004.
I for one am glad to see the Toyotas sanctioned. Not because of any bias against Toyota, but only for the reason that if NASCAR is going to sanction one manufacturer, then it should sanction any, and all if it is found that one make is to have an unfair advantage.
The Texan wrote: What I don't like is that Chevrolet and Ford set this scenario up by not bringing their new engines to the tracks, while Toyota is working with the newest available equipment. Watch Chevrolet show up with their new equipment now that NASCAR has changed the rules. Sorry, but Toyota employs over 36,000 people in the US and have as much right to be there as the other 3. What's going to happen when Chevrolet pulls out of NASCAR completely, which is looking more likely every day, as they have now cancelled support for 2 Sprint cup races.
How long have you been watchin NASCAR? Since 1966 here.
The France Family mafia used to shove it up FORD's tail pipe for years during the 80's. Especially with Bill Elliott's crew. His smal family shop was light years ahead of the others and year after year they made changes to the FORD package to "equal" things out.
Cut me a break.
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Quote: I think they should be running the cars that we drive and buy everyday. If the biggest engine optioned is a V6 then they race with it. If it's FWD then that's what you run. I don't think this has been stock car racing far a while. But that's just my opinion.
If you like watching that go sit next to any highway and watch FWD V6 cars go by. Who would pay to watch that ?
Quote: I think they should be running the cars that we drive and buy everyday. If the biggest engine optioned is a V6 then they race with it. If it's FWD then that's what you run. I don't think this has been stock car racing far a while. But that's just my opinion.
If you like watching that go sit next to any highway and watch FWD V6 cars go by. Who would pay to watch that ?
I would, it would be more "stock car" racing than what they call "stock cars" today. That is the roots of NASCAR and is where it should stay, then any team could afford to compete.
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