MrsSoCalToolGuy wrote: I guess my question is, what in the world was you wife thinking, to even call you with such a question?
Yeah. Would it be nice if arriving home she would let Bruce notice the fix without saying how much it cost?
You read the first post, right? She (the wife) called (before) the scamers fixed the dent, to ask (IF) she should let them do it.
She did not ask them to fix it, she doesn't owe them a dime.
The nearest we've come to one of these scams is, a young man running out into the street in Miami while we were stopped at a red light. They washed our rented cars clean windshield without our consent, then expected us to pay them..... NOPE.. We drove off.
Being accosted in a parking lot would ring my alarm bell.
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Solicitation is big part of our lives. Whenever we go to Home Depot, somebody is trying to sell some kind of home improvement service. Our mailbox has at least a pond of paper daily. When we go to Mexico, the windshield washing is absolutely mandatory. We don't answer the phone with "Unknown name" Have over 10 of them daily. They never record the message....
The mentioned Police and Firefighter Associations can call from local number. Those guys can be pain on the butt. I hang up on somebody twice in my life. One of those callers represented the Police.
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Jacksons wrote: police would have done nothing..would be a he said,she said deal. they have to see it go down,right or wrong thats the way it is
That isn't true. As a general rule, in most states the police have to witness a misdemeanor in order for them to make an arrest. But if they don't witness it then a person who did can make a citizens arrest (The police do the hard part) or the police can send a report to the prosecutor who can file charges. There are many exceptions to this rule in various states but I don't know of any state who would have a rule that the police have to witness a crime before the person can be arrested or charged.
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Kajtek1 wrote: Obviously none of us was there. Knowing Bruce he might have much more in it as well.
But than how is the guy on parking lot different from police and firefighter associations calling you at your own home and selling you package of Christmas cards for $200?
The amount? Isn't asking for what market can bear the American way?
Because they are generally a licensed non profit association selling you Christmas cards as a fund raiser for their cause. All perfectly legal.
Selling autobody work in a parking not is not legal. That's how it's different.
How do you know the didn't have license and did legal business?
Home Depot allows lot of solicitors lately operating on their premises. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Than in this comparison there might be difference in legal issue, but absolutely no difference in ethics IMHO.
She didn't pay and the guys on parking lot didn't give her hard time.
I recall different outcome from police solicitations.
Call any Home Depot you want and ask to speak with the manager. When you get him or her on the phone tell them you want their permission to solicit people in their parking lot to do body work on their cars right there in the parking lot. I'll give you a $1 for every manager that tells you yes and you give me a $1 for every manager that tells you no. Who do you think will have more money in the end?
Jacksons wrote: police would have done nothing..would be a he said,she said deal. they have to see it go down,right or wrong thats the way it is
That isn't true. As a general rule, in most states the police have to witness a misdemeanor in order for them to make an arrest. But if they don't witness it then a person who did can make a citizens arrest (The police do the hard part) or the police can send a report to the prosecutor who can file charges. There are many exceptions to this rule in various states but I don't know of any state who would have a rule that the police have to witness a crime before the person can be arrested or charged.
what they did was a misdemeanor,and here it would be true...there was a case here where a man beat up a woman at a filling station,the attendant helped the woman.and she called 911. by the time police arrived ,he was gone,they told what happened,police went to the mans home,he said they attacked him. police did nothing..even on the news. citizens arrest is not an option here
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moach1 wrote: lets see, the op got the dent out for free and people are saying they would call the police. lets keep the police free for real emergencies.
It is an issue of safety! After all, isn't that why we have Police?? If my wife were approached in a parking lot by 2 men demanding money for an unsolicited service, I would expect her to do what ever she had to do to stay safe. Get real folks. We live in a world where we have to assume that these guys, who were obviously trying to take advantage of a lady, could have gotten violent in their demands. I would rather my wife call the police than have the police have to call me...
Jacksons wrote: police would have done nothing..would be a he said,she said deal. they have to see it go down,right or wrong thats the way it is
That isn't true. As a general rule, in most states the police have to witness a misdemeanor in order for them to make an arrest. But if they don't witness it then a person who did can make a citizens arrest (The police do the hard part) or the police can send a report to the prosecutor who can file charges. There are many exceptions to this rule in various states but I don't know of any state who would have a rule that the police have to witness a crime before the person can be arrested or charged.
what they did was a misdemeanor,and here it would be true...there was a case here where a man beat up a woman at a filling station,the attendant helped the woman.and she called 911. by the time police arrived ,he was gone,they told what happened,police went to the mans home,he said they attacked him. police did nothing..even on the news. citizens arrest is not an option here
Sorry, but there is simply no way that can be true. You're saying nobody can be arrested for a misdemeanor unless the police actually witness it? I don't even have to look that one up to know it's not true. I think somebody is giving you some bad information. There may be limits on citizens arrests, but your prosecutors always have the option of filing charges based on evidence presented.
Call any Home Depot you want and ask to speak with the manager. When you get him or her on the phone tell them you want their permission to solicit people in their parking lot to do body work on their cars right there in the parking lot. I'll give you a $1 for every manager that tells you yes and you give me a $1 for every manager that tells you no. Who do you think will have more money in the end?
I am not a car body repairman.
But would you hold your bet if I solicited for my line of business?
Than again, to my understanding the OP question is about ethics not the law.
Call any Home Depot you want and ask to speak with the manager. When you get him or her on the phone tell them you want their permission to solicit people in their parking lot to do body work on their cars right there in the parking lot. I'll give you a $1 for every manager that tells you yes and you give me a $1 for every manager that tells you no. Who do you think will have more money in the end?
I am not a car body repairman.
But would you hold your bet if I solicited for my line of business?
Than again, to my understanding the OP question is about ethics not the law.
Kajtek - you are missing the point. You can solicit all you want. These guys went beyond the solicitation and touched her vehicle without permission. It is against the law to tamper with a vehicle without permission. It was a scam, plain and simple. They "fixed" the dent without permission and then tried to intimidate her into payment. I would have loved to been the cop on that call.
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