lostdog wrote: With that weight....get a duelly! You will understand why when you are going down the interstate at 65 and a semi passes you doing 80.
Most folks believe that the most important asset a truck can posses is pulling ability. Nope. Handling and stopping top the list.
I "only" tow a max of 15,000 lbs, probably much less, and would not think about towing with anything less than a duelly. I've never worried about getting the rig weighed because I know I'm cautiously under the max for the truck. I believe in comfort in knowing the truck will handle anything thrown at it.
Many folks will argue with me though!
Lostdog
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08 Titanium 30E35SA with discs
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Well that explains it you are driving a Chevy, can't blame you for wanting a dually.That was not an insult a 1 ton chev SRW does not stack up to a 1 ton ford SRW.I could go on and on about going across Wyoming with 40-50 MPH cross winds it would rock the 5ver ( 38' ) but didn't bother the handling of the truck ( Ford Superduty 1 ton SRW )I could go on and on about I80 having more semi's on it than cars getting pasted by many coming back to utah from Indiana towing the 5ver 1700 miles, not sure what you mean when they pass you ??? Was I supossed to lose control??? I could go on and on about hitting some frost heaves @ 65 mph on I80 in Wyoming that I thought was going to tear the fiver off of the truck handled fine. I could go on and on about going down Parleys Canyon in Utah ( some will know what parleys is like ) about a month ago @ 60 mph and coming around one of the last curves to find the traffic at a stop. The truck and 5ver stopped and handled very well and under control as some will say it was not the tail wagging the dog. I could go on and on and on, but I hope you get my point not all 5vers need a dually, yes there comes a time when it does.
Up2nogood, your argument about Chevy DRW against the Ford 1 ton makes sense except for your application. You own a 1999 1 ton Ford which has a 9900 GVW I believe like a Chevy 3500 SRW. Only thing is that your Ford is a lot heavier than the Chevy. If your back wheels are 5600# and your front wheels probably 4500 or heavier you are over your GVW. I owned a 2001 F-250 and it had the 8800# GVW. What a joke for carrying ability. The GVWs for the 250 and 350 are way to light for those years. If you are towing a 3400 Montana with your 350 then you are definately over your pin weight.
Connieor2 wrote: Up2nogood, your argument about Chevy DRW against the Ford 1 ton makes sense except for your application. You own a 1999 1 ton Ford which has a 9900 GVW I believe like a Chevy 3500 SRW. Only thing is that your Ford is a lot heavier than the Chevy. If your back wheels are 5600# and your front wheels probably 4500 or heavier you are over your GVW. I owned a 2001 F-250 and it had the 8800# GVW. What a joke for carrying ability. The GVWs for the 250 and 350 are way to light for those years. If you are towing a 3400 Montana with your 350 then you are definately over your pin weight.
I can have this debate as long as you want it .You weight police can read the door tags all you want. I am willing to listen to reason, not door tags.If that is all you have then no need to reply to me. Save it for the guys that come on here and ask can I tow this with this, thats where you guys are in your element, guoting door tags.
Connieor2 wrote: Up2nogood, your argument about Chevy DRW against the Ford 1 ton makes sense except for your application. You own a 1999 1 ton Ford which has a 9900 GVW I believe like a Chevy 3500 SRW. Only thing is that your Ford is a lot heavier than the Chevy. If your back wheels are 5600# and your front wheels probably 4500 or heavier you are over your GVW. I owned a 2001 F-250 and it had the 8800# GVW. What a joke for carrying ability. The GVWs for the 250 and 350 are way to light for those years. If you are towing a 3400 Montana with your 350 then you are definately over your pin weight.
I can have this debate as long as you want it .You weight police can read the door tags all you want. I am willing to listen to reason, not door tags.If that is all you have then no need to reply to me. Save it for the guys that come on here and ask can I tow this with this, thats where you guys are in your element, guoting door tags.
I have always thought these types of discussions are pointless. I'm towing with the truck and trailer in sig and have no "control issues" that others mention. It cracks me up to see someone post about how over your weights when they have no idea how heavy the poster really is.
Connieor2 wrote: Up2nogood, your argument about Chevy DRW against the Ford 1 ton makes sense except for your application. You own a 1999 1 ton Ford which has a 9900 GVW I believe like a Chevy 3500 SRW. Only thing is that your Ford is a lot heavier than the Chevy. If your back wheels are 5600# and your front wheels probably 4500 or heavier you are over your GVW. I owned a 2001 F-250 and it had the 8800# GVW. What a joke for carrying ability. The GVWs for the 250 and 350 are way to light for those years. If you are towing a 3400 Montana with your 350 then you are definately over your pin weight.
I can have this debate as long as you want it .You weight police can read the door tags all you want. I am willing to listen to reason, not door tags.If that is all you have then no need to reply to me. Save it for the guys that come on here and ask can I tow this with this, thats where you guys are in your element, guoting door tags.
I have always thought these types of discussions are pointless. I'm towing with the truck and trailer in sig and have no "control issues" that others mention. It cracks me up to see someone post about how over your weights when they have no idea how heavy the poster really is.
Amen ,but at times makes for good entertainment.I have no idea what some are talking about, have asked many times, all I get is weight tag guotes. Like I said I will listen to reason,someones experience, someones mishaps etc. Mostly what I hear is scare tactics with nothing to back it up, but I will keep listening until I hear something.
up2nogood wrote: I can have this debate as long as you want it .You weight police can read the door tags all you want. I am willing to listen to reason, not door tags.If that is all you have then no need to reply to me. Save it for the guys that come on here and ask can I tow this with this, thats where you guys are in your element, guoting door tags.
Okay then, what do you go on if not door tags?
The door tags say the truck can handle X weight. We all know the truck can handle more than X, but how much? How do you find out how much? Ford/Chevy/Dodge won't tell you, their lawyers say that you'll sue them if you try and get in an accident.
The only way you can find out how much is keep putting more and more weight on until the truck handling is affected, or the truck breaks. That's great if you discover the handling problems, or have a breakdown, close to home. You can limp back to base, throw off the extra weight, fix whatever broke, and be on your merry way.
It ain't gonna happen like that. You're going to be hundreds of miles from home when you discover that some piece of the suspension isn't up to the task of hauling way too much weight. Probably on a weekend. Probably nowhere near tools, or a shop that can fix your problem.
It's great that you can afford to experiment to the destruction of the truck to see how much it can really do. It's great that you can afford to trade in trucks on something bigger if bought too much trailer.
Most people can't operate that way. The don't have infinte time and infinite $$. At least going by the door stickers you can be reasonably sure that you won't have handling problems, or a breakdown that could have been prevented by driving a bigger truck.
I have a 38ft 5er. we use it for 4 months each summer. This is loaded with everything including full tanks, my wife and I. I pull it with a 2500HD. These are scale weights. Steering axle 4320#, Drive axle 5820#, Trailer axles 10,740# These are certified Cat scale weights.
As you can see I'm 10,140# on Truck, that is appox 800# over the 9200# for this truck, A 3500HD SRW allows 9900# total truck, that would still be over legal weight. I'm OK on the CGVW of 22,000#, I only have 20,880# gross.
I haven't had any problem with stability as far as wind or semi's go. but I can tell it's not as stable as as I would like.
Bottom line, get a dully. You won't have any more power, but it will feel more stable and will be safer.
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