CoMoCo
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It was time to renew my truck plates this month and I thought about all of the talk on here about being licensed for the proper RGW (registered gross weight). I left my plates as is - which is far below the actual weight of my combined truck and trailer.
My question is - does anyone have a chart (or know where one is) that shows what the fees are for the actual RGW? I cannot find any fees other than the basic fees for cars on the MTO website.
Thanks!
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VintageRacer
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the rules are here: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/annual.htm
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http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/trailers.htm
Note that since the GVWR of your truck is almost certainly over 4500 Kg, you need an annual inspection sticker on the truck and the trailer. If the weight of the trailer exceeds 2800 Kg you need to add the actual weight of the trailer to the actual weight (loaded, obviously) of the truck to determine the RGW requirement of the truck. There are arcane exemptions for RV's and "house trailers". Call the Ministry Enforcement Branch near you and ask for advice. I did that, and hence there is a Truck Camper on my truck whenever I am hitched to my trailer. That makes my truck into an RV and therefore exempt from RGW regulations. Once you get the RGW you want, drop into a license branch to find out what the fee is - you want to ask for "commercial vehicle for personal use over 3,000Kg. Those fees are not published on the internet, as far as I know, unless you want to start trolling through the actual statutes.
Read this as well. If you register your truck for over 4,500 Kg these rules will apply to your use of your truck: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/daily/
edit: almost forgot, if your truck gets registered for over 4,500 Kg you have to get a CVOR - Commercial Vehicle Operators Registration.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/cvor/regcert.htm It's just filling out a form and mailing it in, painless and costs nothing.
As will the requirements to maintain a daily drivers logbook and to stop at weigh stations in certain instances. There are exemptions for personal use that will probably make those requirements moot, but I think it's a good idea to know what the reasons are and why. As soon as you have that little yellow annual inspection sticker, you may get flagged for bypassing weigh stations, if some inspector is bored.
Brian
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CoMoCo
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Thanks Brian! I think I understand the rules and they have been beaten up on here a few times. I am trying to see if someone has a list of the fees that are associated with the RGW for a pickup truck.
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skip298
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I just increased my RGW from 3000Kg to 4500Kg the difference for me was from a $74.00 fee to a $139.00 fee..(for the extra 1500kg)..........this might conflict with vintageracers opinion and links....my RV has a pin wt of approx 1100 Kg..and taking into account extra weights.. I increased the RGW to 4500Kg...You only need to licence the truck for the added weight of the PIN/tongue... as it says the weight of the truck will be determined with the RV attached to the truck....everything else is basically aimed at the Commercial trucking and business use of a pickup.... I an leaving for the RGV by in the next few days and dont have much time for internet stuff..PM me if you need more info...Don
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CoMoCo
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Thanks Don! My RGW is 3500 kg and I am paying $109 to renew. Does anyone else have any numbers they would like to share?
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skip298
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It appears then that for every 500Kg increase the cost will be $35.00.. In my price there was a $10..admin fee...(just to add an insult to the injury)
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6MISFITZ
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Thanks for those links Brian - that cleared up more than the in town license / MTO office could.
I thought the trailer cut off was 4500 KG, not 2800 KG and not combined!
Actual Van and Trailer weight Combined is around 6350 GCWR or 6500 to be safe.
6500 KG = so $259.00 + admin but I don't have truck plates so it could be more 
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skip298
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Mike I do not understand your post??? are you saying that they want $259.00 to licence your van to tow an RV????????
Van...personal use only..$74.00...........you want to increase the RGW to carry some weight..so increase it to _____ Kg your choice of that amount...but keep it UNDER 4500Kg
Your TT has a total gross weight of_______Kg but an unloaded weight under 4600Kg with a PIN weight of _____Kg............. The book says that TT or Fiver will be weighed with the Trailer attached to the tow vehicle... so the only weight you have to pay for is the weight of the PIN which is added onto the vans weight..... Your van licence gives you 3000Kg automatically...your RGW allows you to add the weight of the PIN to the Van (say 1500Kg for an example)....YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF THE ENTIRE UNIT... YOU PAY FOR THE WEIGHT ADDED TO YOUR TRUCK VIA THE PIN/HITCH...If your. RV weighed 4600Kg standing alone and ready to go.....you have a RV that weighs 4600Kg but once you hook it up the PIN weight comes OFF the 4600Kg total..it goes onto the van and the balance is on the wheels of the RV .. so 4600Kg -1500Kg PIN = 3000Kg RV...THE TRAILER RGW IS PAID FOR VIA THE ORIGINAL LICENCE PLATE.....IF IT WAS OVER 4600 THEY WOULD HAVE GOT YOUR MONEY BEFORE THIS......I may not be able to respond to any discussion on this as I am leaving in the AM and everything goes offline tonite..... Trust me I am Right on this and I am completely legal.........If you need further info call the Ontario Recreational Vehicle Dealer Assoc ORVDA....ask for Larry Boyd and run it by him.. They are in Millgrove ON just off Highway 6 north of Hamilton..
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6MISFITZ
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Hi Skipp,
From the ministry guide to Determining Registered Gross Weights for Trucks Towing Recreational and Light Duty Trailers
*If the trailer weighs more than 2,800 kg (6,171 lb.);
Register the truck for at least the combined weight of the truck and trailer
Van and trailer combined weigh more than 4500 KG
I gave them a combined weight range # that slightly exceeded the heaviest my rig has ever weighed (combined) at the scales and they calculated back from there.
I have yet to pay anything until Boxing Day + an Ontario Drive Clean this year.
Please let me know where they went wrong,
Mike.
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skip298
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I have that precis and I recall some of it...Unfortuntley it is in the truck and I cant get to it right now, it is a confusing document, read on to other sections and you will see the differences.....Call Larry Boyd at the ORVDA and he will tell you what to do.......Every MTO office is different.. the lady in the one up here.....was right on the money when I went in.........I have an F350 that has the RGW of 4500Kg.....(if I go over the 4500Kg I am required to get the yellow inspection device...DO NOT SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THAT POSSIBILITY....my RV weighs approx 5000 Kg loaded the way we travel(but not the GVWR which is approx 6500Kg)) by itself which then puts me in conflict with the "A" class.."G" class licence.......BUT, when I weight the rigs attached(as it says I must do) I am way under the GCWR.. the trailer axles weigh in at 3900kg the truck rear axle weighs in at 4500Kg?? which leaves me with a 3900 Kg RV and a required RGW for the truck of 4500Kg...I do not need an "A" licence......as I said you only pay for the weight rating that the tongue puts onto your van.. could you imagine the cost of my licences if I had to pay for the combined weight of the truck and trailer... which would be approx 10000Kg... Most of the MTO folks do not understand these sections........an easy way around it and to be completely legal....go in and increase the RGW of your van (in order to carry camping gear that weighs what is the tongue weight??) to______Kg... You will be completly legal and properly licenced.........Best of luck..Don
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