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Topic: 1/2 ton tow vehicle w/30 ft

Posted By: wolfe59 on 02/24/09 07:39pm

Have been looking at the Spree line of travel trailers. The weights of these trailers impress me, so much trailer and so light. I am concerned about towing a 30' trailer with a 1/2 ton pick-up. The trailer we currently own is only 19' and a breeze to tow. What can I expect and what should I watch out for when towing a 30' trailer. My tow vehicle has a 8500lb capacity and the Spree I'm looking at max's out at 7500.


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Posted By: old guy on 02/24/09 07:44pm

1/2 tons are just so limited on what they have and can do. smaller brakes than the 3/4 ton or 1 ton. smaller rear ends, not so heavy duty. shocks the frame. about the only thing that is strong enough is the motor. this of course is my way of thinking, I had a 1/2 ton for years and towed just about any thing I wanted or had to pull, and that amounted to a 24 ft and a two cord wood trailer. I had brakes on both trailers and I thank God for that. with out them I would have been in big trouble lots of time. Now I finally got smart or got so I could afford to get a 3/4 ton and it is like the difference in night and day. I will never go back to a 1/2 ton unless I give up towing a TT.


Posted By: Terryallan on 02/24/09 08:08pm

Well the manufacturers have rated it to tow a certian amout. They have figured the length in as well. You will run out of weight capacity, long before you run out of length.

As for brakes. ALL trucks. Be they 250 /2500s, or 350 / 3500s, or 150 /1500s are only rated to stop them selves. GVWR. They ARE NOT designed to stop the TT, or 5er. GCVWR. You will be no better off trying to stop a trailer without brakes with a 2500, than you are trying to stop a trailer without brakes in a 150. Both will be over GVWR.
So called 1/2 ton trucks, and so called 3/4 ton trucks. Are both limited by the same thing. The weight rating. One is no more better off than the other if they are overloaded. So stay inside your trucks weight limits / rating, and you will be good to go.
As for WB. The WB on my F150 is longer than the WB on "most" 250s, and 350s


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Posted By: smkettner on 02/24/09 07:49pm

8500 tow rating, 7500 GVWR trailer I would so go for it.
You can expect to be a little slower on the hills, no worries.


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Posted By: ArcticDodge on 02/24/09 07:52pm

old guy wrote:

1/2 tons are just so limited on what they have and can do. smaller brakes than the 3/4 ton or 1 ton. smaller rear ends, not so heavy duty. shocks the frame. about the only thing that is strong enough is the motor. this of course is my way of thinking, I had a 1/2 ton for years and towed just about any thing I wanted or had to pull, and that amounted to a 24 ft and a two cord wood trailer. I had brakes on both trailers and I thank God for that. with out them I would have been in big trouble lots of time. Now I finally got smart or got so I could afford to get a 3/4 ton and it is like the difference in night and day. I will never go back to a 1/2 ton unless I give up towing a TT.


I share similar thoughts.

A 30 foot TT maxing out fully loaded at less than 7500 lbs must be pretty flimsy. At least have a truck that ain't.


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Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/24/09 07:53pm

Depends on the half ton but many half tons are as beefy as 3/4 tons used to be.

We tow a 29'1" with a 1/2 ton SUV with a 116" wheelbase.

In this case, a longer wheelbase is more important that the "badge" of your vehicle (i.e. - 1/2, 3/4 or 1 ton).

Keep in mind you must be within your tow specs even then.

What's the wheelbase of your 1/2 ton?

Get a good WDH hitch. We use the Equalizer. Take extra time to get it set up right.


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Posted By: wolfe59 on 02/24/09 08:29pm

The wheel base is 157". That was my main concern, with this WB how well will it pull a 30' trailer. I know with a trailer of this length I would want a long wheelbase and just wasn't sure if a 157" wheelbase would be suffient.


Posted By: Wilburg on 02/24/09 08:42pm

MudChucker wrote:

I used my 1/2 ton to haul my current trailer for a season...now that Im in my 2500HD I cant imagine how we did it with an f150.... but we did it


My 1/2 ton could "do it" but scared the bajesus out of me and my wife ... - My wife literaly ordered me to go buy a real truck ... now that I'm in my 2500HD desiel I can't imagine how we did it with a Dodge 1500 ... for 3 months


Seriously, I didn't enjoy towing with my old truck and I wouldn't let my family go with me (my wife drove the van behind us) and I didn't really go further than 2 hours away. When my wife was driving behind me, she saw how much the trailer moved every time a TT unit flew by, or a major gust of wind... (I had the dual reese WD & antisway). The suspension was poor, the passenger tires were poor, the engine was "ok" I guess I could of spent $$$ upgrading the old truck, but orders are orders....

With my new truck.... Towing is not an issue, I will tow anywhere!!! That's why we got into camping to go anywhere.

I say, your "ok", get the camper, your truck will "do it", I certainly have seen worse ... lol


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Posted By: Terryallan on 02/24/09 08:47pm

wolfe59 wrote:

The wheel base is 157". That was my main concern, with this WB how well will it pull a 30' trailer. I know with a trailer of this length I would want a long wheelbase and just wasn't sure if a 157" wheelbase would be suffient.


You have a long WB. 157" is very long, and few 3/4, or ton trucks have a WB that long. so you got that covered.


Posted By: kknowlton on 02/24/09 08:45pm

Currently towing a 34' TT with a 1/2 ton. GVWR of the trailer is about 7600 lbs, we load it to about 7000 lbs. Our TV's tow rating is 10,100. Seems to work about right. I wouldn't want to go with any heavier TT, especially with the length. I agree - a good WDH is essential!


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Posted By: fairhaven on 02/24/09 08:48pm

old guy...I couldn't dissagree with you more. I certainly can't pull what a 3/4T can, but the capabilities of my 1/2T Sierra are more than adequate for my needs...and my 30' trailer (actually almost 33' overall). I have plenty of motor and torque to pull the pass at whatever speed I want. Not everyone NEEDS a 3/4T. In fact, I will end by saying that I would be willing to bet that if we both had my trailer (and ArticDodge it is not flimsy) I could pull it just as well and safely as you could with your 3/4T whatever.


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Posted By: MudChucker on 02/24/09 08:15pm

I used my 1/2 ton to haul my current trailer for a season...now that Im in my 2500HD I cant imagine how we did it with an f150.... but we did it


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Posted By: ch47d99 on 02/24/09 08:26pm

The Spree line was designed to be half ton towable. Search this forum and you will find them to be a well-built, reliable unit with most owners pulling them with half-ton vehicles. What kills me is that this guy is probably going to stay fairly close to the 80% "rule" and the 3/4 crowd still pounces. Give me a break. Go get the trailer and get a good WDH.


Posted By: axisbuck24 on 02/24/09 08:32pm

I am considering purchasing a 29 ft trailer that weighs 6100 lbs dry weight. Do you think that my 1/2 ton 5.3L V8 GMC extended cab sierra will tow the trailer without any problems?


Posted By: TXiceman on 02/25/09 06:54am

I am of the opinion, that a 30' trialer is too much for any 1/2 ton truck, even if it supposedly in weight rating. There is a lot more to towing than just having the power to pull the trailer. The dynamics involved require, better tires, better suspension and heavier components if you want the truck to last a bit longer.

The current 1/2 ton trucks (even the ones percieved as heavy duty) are designed for soft rides and running errands in town.

If most of the adament 1/2 ton drivers would ever try pulling their trailer with a 3/4 ton truck, they would quickly see and feel the difference in how easily the rig drives. My suggestion is to listen to the folks that have made the change and listen to their advice.

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Posted By: Bigdog on 02/24/09 10:54pm

What is interesting is that the people with small p/us and large trailers never seem to have any problems with towing and the folks with large p/us and large trailers don't either..Well,on my last rip out I saw a newer F150 that had been pulling about a 30+ foot trailer in the ditch and several of us stopped to see if he needed any help and asked what had happened.He said that a large MH had bombed past him and he started swaying,lost it and went off the road and went into the ditch.The trailer was on it's side and the p/u was across the ditch pointing into the field..
Well,a little while later,I was cruising along at about a little over 60 and mine just took off on me and took up parts of two of the four lanes of the freeway and after about 1/2 mile I finally got it stopped on the shoulder and,of course,took a sniff test and determined that I was ok.It can happen to anyone,at any time regardless of equipment...
Of course,after I got it home,a tad bit over 100 miles,I noticed that one axle was sticking out a bit over an inch farther than the other,Soooo I took it into the shop where they found that the trailer was riding on the axles 'cuz it had three broken springs and either broken or cracked shackles.. OOpppsss...


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Posted By: PhilipB on 02/25/09 07:34am

Towed a 30' Nomad TT with a 96 GMC 1/2 ton (5.7/3.73) for 7 years. We took trips all over the country. We were right at the upper limits of the truck but we did fine.

Our first long trip introduced us to sway. After this we bought a Hensley. Money well spent with no regrets.


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Posted By: H2OHEMI on 02/24/09 10:55pm

Hi i think its funny when people get on the hype of 1/2 ton
pickups, they should do their home work, i pull a wilderness 280bhs
6800lb with a dodge ram 1500 392 rear axle. that being said dodge 1/2
ton and 3/4 ton trucks share the same brakes,worked for dodge 20yrs.
just use your common sense and you'll be ok i have thousands of miles
towing with 1/2 ton trucks


Posted By: Jemc02 on 02/25/09 05:13am

I towed a 33' travel trailer with a 1/2 ton pickup truck for a full season which included a trip from central Ohio to Maine and back. I was under every weight rating for my truck according to the scales when I weighed it fully loaded to go camping.

The ONLY time I was worried was when I was going downhill and had a sudden (it was sudden because I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been) left corner popped up in front of me. I could "feel" the trailer trying to push the back end of my pickup truck a little sideways as I went around the corner.

Would I do it again? Yes, but that incident was always in the back of my mind.


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Posted By: dbcc186 on 02/24/09 09:26pm

I may have missed it, but what are the specs on your truck? Make,model,year,engine, mileage, factory tow package, rear end gear etc. Some things to consider if you are within weight limits of your truck: How well has it been maintained? Has tranny been serviced? What kind of tires are you running? How is the suspension? How are the brakes?


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Posted By: H & E on 02/25/09 06:25am

I tow with a 34 ft. TT with a ½ ton. I am about 400 pounds under the total gross weight allowed for the vehicle and 600 pounds under the TT gross weight. We traveled 7k miles last year, a lot of it through the Eastern Mountains with no problems. TV has 130” wheelbase and is AWD. One panic stop when a deer ran in front of us in PA. I believe if you stay within the specifications of the TT & TV, use a good anti-sway hitch & good brake controller there should be no issues. I have been towing various kinds of trailers all my life and only once owned a truck over 1/2 ton. This argument will never end. You need to do what is comfortable & best for you.


Posted By: shenandoahvalley on 02/25/09 06:45am

We are pulling with a 3/4 ton and have the 158" WB. I have a heck of a time manuvering in close quarters but I wouldn't trade the WB for anything when towing. We get very little sway even on the windiest days. IMHO there is no substitute for WB. I like the 3/4 ton because I tend to carry a lot of "stuff" when we camp and the payload keeps me safe from the weight police.

* This post was edited 02/25/09 08:12am by shenandoahvalley *


Posted By: Dandy on 02/25/09 07:14am

I have made the transition the opposite way. For years I towed with a 3/4 ton dodge and a 5500# TT. It was a great set-up, comfortable to tow, and lots of overkill.

Today I tow a total weight of 7,000 - 7,200 lbs on average with a 1/2 ton crew. The wheel base is comfortable and I really enjoy the ride. I am educated and comfortable in how the set-up handles and that is key. If you are not comfortable with it then it is wrong to proceed.

Be educated with your limitations and do not exceed them. Be comfortable in your decisions and enjoy the ride. If your "White-knuckled" then get off the road and go buy the 3/4-ton.

You appear to be within your limitations, the biggest question would be how comfortable are you towing it?


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Posted By: bobbyg123 on 02/24/09 10:48pm

Old schoolers are right when they say that 3/4 ton vehicles tow better than 1/2 tons. With that said, if you have a newer 1/2 ton with a large V8 and 3.73 gears or higher, you can safely tow a pretty big trailer. In the coming years, you're going to see the industry shift to light weight trailers and 1/2 ton tow vehicles. Owning a 3/4 or 1 ton tow vehicle is a luxury, and the future campers of America are not going to be able to rationalize that luxury as much as we've seen in the past. Ford's 2012 (projected) 1/2 tons are going be capable of pulling of 12,500lbs or more. That, coupled with higher quality light weight trailers is the future of the travel trailer lifestyle. Count on it.


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Posted By: mosseater on 02/24/09 09:33pm

Sounds like you`ll do fine with that. I have no problems with my rig, tows very nicely. I may have a little wheelbase over others, that could be the difference (163"). I run my GCW (15300 rating) at the limit almost every time I tow. My TT loaded runs around 8K and the truck loaded runs about 7200. Only complaint I have is power, especially on hills at altitude.


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Posted By: Canadian9999 on 02/24/09 10:01pm

i pull s 299bhs tango and i have a 04 dodge 1/2 ton with the hemi it is good and stable. the only thing i dont like about it is its always at real hi rpms when pulling i got the 3.55 axle though and think that is most of my problem


Posted By: HarvinJeep on 02/24/09 09:56pm

We tow a Sunline 276SR with our 1500 Ram using an Equalizer hitch. It is right at 30' from the ball to the bumper and the weights are about the same as you are talking about.


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Posted By: ch47d99 on 02/25/09 07:21am

The question is not would the 3/4 ton pull better. I have no doubt that you are correct. The question is do you need a 3/4 ton to pull the Spree (or other lightweight, 1/2 ton designed trailer) safely and with acceptable performance? The answer to that is no; a 1/2 ton truck or large SUV will meet the bill for the OP. As bobbyg indicates, the car and RV industries are moving away from the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I would not be surprised in the next decade to see those vehicles offered only through special order, possibly with restrictions based on verifiable need such as farming or other heavy duty requirements.


Posted By: The Dunn 4 on 02/24/09 08:56pm

Pulled my 30 ft Prowler (now sold) with my F-150 from Iowa to Montana, Wyoming and Colorado. Humm, but a F250 or 2500HD sure would be nice... leaving now to butter up the wife....


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Posted By: ronj60 on 02/24/09 08:53pm

We tow a 32" Prowler TT which when loaded weighs in at 7800 lbs. Our tow vehicle is an 07' Ford F-150 Supercrew short box with the tow package and 3.73 rear end and the Triton 5.4L engine. It handles very well, and sway isn't an issue. Sure, we don't fly up the hills, but we can keep up to traffic flow. Proper weight distribution in the trailer is important. Stay under the speed limit and allow plenty of stopping room. Also get a GOOD brake controller, this forum has some great advice on them, and don't be afraid to use the trailer brakes. Certainly a 3/4 ton can give you more power and maneuverability, but we've really been pleased with our 1/2 ton and this TT. Towing the lighter Spree should be a breeze for you. Have fun!


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Posted By: LAdams on 02/25/09 05:43pm

Bdeuce wrote:

I wish people on the road worried about their setup as much as the people on this forum. It amazes me what you see on the highway. The worst I've seen was a F150 towing a 298 Springdale with a custom Golfcart in the bed of the truck. He was moving along without a care in the world.


Yup, I agree, and it also amazes me on what some in this forum nod their head on and give a newbie the OK on - - and then of course you get the "I've been towing like this for the last 5 years and 30,000 miles all over the country and I haven't had any problem"... YEAH - RIGHT!!!

Sometimes it just doesn't do any good - because those who are doing it, and KNOW they shouldn't be doing it, become ratified when someone else asks if it's OK... And then we here the "I've been towing like this for the last 50,000 miles and I don't have any problem", or "We only tow 50 miles to lake and below 50 MPH so I shouldn't have a problem"... Stick around here long enough and you hear them all, and then you here them all again!!!

I once saw a member here post in no less than 4 different RV forums until he got the answer he wanted - still happens from time to time here... And people will find a way to justify anything when it's what they want - it's called human nature

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Posted By: LAdams on 02/25/09 09:22am

The problem with threads like these are the same issues when some member asks: "what is a good make trailer"??? The people who have Jayco's will answer Jayco, the people who have Forest River will answer Forest River, etc., etc., etc...

Same difference here - the people who have 1/2 tons say you'll be fine, the people driving 3/4 tons say you won't... No objectivity displayed on these forums any more...

Drive it and see how you like it... If your within ratings and you feel comfortable, your done!!! If you don't feel comfortable because of truck performance, get a larger truck !!!

Les


Posted By: TXiceman on 02/25/09 09:39am

3000 miles of towing makes an expert on towing???? With the various vehicles we have had, I am well over 100,000 miles with a trailer in tow.

Comparing a new 1/2 ton to ride on an older 3/4 ton is like apples and oranges. When we went from the the 1997 F350 to the 2002 F350, the difference in ride and quitness was amazing. You need to campare like years of the truck.

Yes, a newer 1/2 ton will have a better ride, but how much difference in actually handling the load.

A 31' trailer is still too much for a 1/2 ton truck and I give up at this point. And you do not need a class 7 or 8 tractor for it...that is a silly comparison.


Posted By: wolfe59 on 02/25/09 01:28pm

dbcc186 wrote:

I may have missed it, but what are the specs on your truck? Make,model,year,engine, mileage, factory tow package, rear end gear etc. Some things to consider if you are within weight limits of your truck: How well has it been maintained? Has tranny been serviced? What kind of tires are you running? How is the suspension? How are the brakes?

My truck is a 2007 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali, I miss quoted the WB its actually 143.5 according to Edmunds, it has a tow cap. of 8500, 6.2 V8 AWD, the max payload is 1617. The truck is in good shape. The trailer we are looking at is the Spree 260FL, it has a GVWR of 7000, the length is actually 28'10" and the hitch wt. is 800lbs.


Posted By: wolfe59 on 02/25/09 01:45pm

Guys I'm sorry, I guess I need to get all the facts straight before I post, I will never again guesstimate on my figures.
I have enjoyed reading all the post and yes, my thoughts when I posted was leaning more towards the length of the trailer. Once long ago when I was first looking at buying our first trailer (pop-up) I remember someone having some rule of thumb about the length of the trailer in realations to the length of the tow-vehicle, hence me asking the question.
Again, thanks for all the input and I promise never to post without having all the FACTS.


Posted By: symbasden on 02/25/09 09:00am

I have a 1/2 ton long box quad cab truck. Wheelbase is not an issue for me. Anyway, I pull a 33' foot trailer. I have towed it about 3000 miles so far with no issues.

Now, that said I grew up on a farm and have pulled and stopped trailers all my life.

With my prodigy brake controller the truck stops better with the trailer on than without.

The main concern is going to be wheelbase and whether the trailer wants to throw around the truck, mine doesn't, but I don't know how I would feel about towing a 30+ foot with a standard cab truck.. haven't done it..


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Posted By: dodge guy on 02/25/09 10:19am

TXiceman wrote:


A 31' trailer is still too much for a 1/2 ton truck and I give up at this point. And you do not need a class 7 or 8 tractor for it...that is a silly comparison.


Barring weight, how is a long wheelbase 1/2 ton going to tow any different than a long wheel base 3/4-1 ton? they`ll both have the same wheelbase!


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Posted By: Terryallan on 02/25/09 08:07am

TXiceman wrote:

I am of the opinion, that a 30' trialer is too much for any 1/2 ton truck, even if it supposedly in weight rating. There is a lot more to towing than just having the power to pull the trailer. The dynamics involved require, better tires, better suspension and heavier components if you want the truck to last a bit longer.

The current 1/2 ton trucks (even the ones percieved as heavy duty) are designed for soft rides and running errands in town.

If most of the adament 1/2 ton drivers would ever try pulling their trailer with a 3/4 ton truck, they would quickly see and feel the difference in how easily the rig drives. My suggestion is to listen to the folks that have made the change and listen to their advice.

Ken


Try towing with a Frieghtliner, or Kenworth. You would quickly see, and feel the difference, in how easily the rig drives. YOU might even go buy one. I had one, But I no longer need one. I just get what I need. I don't need a 2500, or 3500, or Kenworth, To tow inside my trucks weight rating. Should I ever get a monster trailer, I'll get a monster truck. But for now. My F150 is waaay overkill for my 6000lb TT. In 2000lbs. I may look at a bigger truck. But then I don't really want a bigger TT, or bigger truck.


Posted By: Terryallan on 02/25/09 11:45am

wolfe59 wrote:

Have been looking at the Spree line of travel trailers. The weights of these trailers impress me, so much trailer and so light. I am concerned about towing a 30' trailer with a 1/2 ton pick-up. The trailer we currently own is only 19' and a breeze to tow. What can I expect and what should I watch out for when towing a 30' trailer. My tow vehicle has a 8500lb capacity and the Spree I'm looking at max's out at 7500.


This was the OP. The question here was a generic what to look for with a 1/2 ton. Plenty of good answeres, some of course off the wall.
A later post ask about WB. Which he has plenty of. Actually more than many of the folks that say he can't do it.


Sorry you don't understand about apples, and oranges TXiceman.


Posted By: mike77leprechaun on 02/25/09 02:06pm

I pull a 30' jayco with my 1/2 ton Dodge. A new truck just isn't in the plans for me right now and I don't want a 3/4 Ton Daily driver anyways. It tows fine. now in your situation with that Denali you won't have an issue at all!


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Posted By: riverrat2601 on 02/25/09 12:01pm

Quote:

Same difference here - the people who have 1/2 tons say you'll be fine, the people driving 3/4 tons say you won't... No objectivity displayed on these forums any more...

Drive it and see how you like it... If your within ratings and you feel comfortable, your done!!! If you don't feel comfortable because of truck performance, get a larger truck !!!

Les

I could'nt have said it better myself.


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Posted By: riverrat2601 on 02/25/09 11:42am

Quote:

I am considering purchasing a 29 ft trailer that weighs 6100 lbs dry weight. Do you think that my 1/2 ton 5.3L V8 GMC extended cab sierra will tow the trailer without any problems?

Add at least another 1000 lbs. to that for real world weight. You can proboly do it, but you'll be slow up hills.



Posted By: smkettner on 02/25/09 03:03pm

I have never seen a length specification in any tow rating ever. Anyone?


Posted By: smkettner on 02/25/09 03:52pm

30' trailer behind a Bug or Tacoma would probably put either over weight. So as much as this is not about the weight, the length is self limiting from the weight specs.

I would have no trouble pulling a 50' trailer behind a bug as long as the weight (GVWR) was in the tow rating.


Posted By: redriversolar on 02/25/09 02:56pm

havedreamwilltravel wrote:

once again - THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT WEIGHT AND CAN I TOW IT? It is NOT a WEIGHT question but a length question asked by the original poster!


Point well taken, my assumption is that in thinking 3/4 ton it would be with a larger power plant than an equivalent 1/2 ton and a physically heavier truck (perhaps a biased assumption). A Duramax comes to mind which has both the horses and the girth which would suggest it can take the length or the weight.

I was also speaking from experience with our trailer and our Sierra with the smaller V8 and I am happy with my combo.

Then again I think everyone out their towing an RV needs to slow down in their speeds and maneuvering through traffic for both safety and the environment.


08 Chevrolet 2500HD
06 Jayco Jay Flight 27.5BHS



Posted By: redriversolar on 02/25/09 10:53am

If you plan on winning a race while towing and working the lanes through traffic like an ambulance then you are best to consider a truck built more like a tank.

On the other hand if you plan to do 55 to save a few bucks on fuel, are in no hurry to pass, won't sweat the line up behind you going up the hill and will buy a WDH for those windy open stretches and good handling, you will be just fine.

Towing is partially about attitude. I have a good friend that is embarrassed if he has a line up behind on a hill climb and would rather stomp on the accelerator and burn the fuel than be the guy that annoys folks for even one minute. I, on the other hand, think the highway is not a motor speedway and unless there is an actual ambulance on my tail (for which I will pull over) I think I am teaching folks a lesson in patience.

Happy trails!


Posted By: dbcc186 on 02/25/09 08:32pm

wolfe59 wrote:

dbcc186 wrote:

I may have missed it, but what are the specs on your truck? Make,model,year,engine, mileage, factory tow package, rear end gear etc. Some things to consider if you are within weight limits of your truck: How well has it been maintained? Has tranny been serviced? What kind of tires are you running? How is the suspension? How are the brakes?

My truck is a 2007 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali, I miss quoted the WB its actually 143.5 according to Edmunds, it has a tow cap. of 8500, 6.2 V8 AWD, the max payload is 1617. The truck is in good shape. The trailer we are looking at is the Spree 260FL, it has a GVWR of 7000, the length is actually 28'10" and the hitch wt. is 800lbs.



Good brake controler, weight dist.hitch, and some load range C tires and I think you will be good to go. I don't think you will have good handling with the P rated tires that are probably on your truck. Make sure your rear axle has been serviced recently and if not change it out and use some high quality synthetic gear oil like Mobil 1 or Royal Purple. Make sure all your other fluids are up to snuff. Get that trailer and go camping!!!


Posted By: twmw1126 on 02/25/09 01:21pm

I used to have a Nissan Titan with tow capacity of 10,000 lbs. Had no problems what so ever towing Flagstaff 829BHSS. It is actually 34' from tongue to bumper. We upgraded truck because we are looking at upgrading to fiver. Got a great deal on the F250 and now trying to trade or sell TT. I would not worry about towing a larger TT with a 1/2 if the weights & wheel base is there.


Mickey & Teri
2012 Damon Challenger 37KT
2007 Jeep Liberty with blueox tow bar


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 11:55am

I was mistaken. I apologize. I stand corrected. He did say what his trailer weighed but his question still involved length, not weight. I will go back and edit my answer so it's not quoted over and over and i'm given 100 lashings with a wet noodle for something I admit a mistake on

Still say he can tow it. Still say he doesn't need a 3/4 ton truck for a weight of 6100 pounds (If that is fully loaded weight and not dry weight)

Dry weight of 6100 pounds will translate roughly to around 7100 pounds loaded. Still 1500 under his max tow.

However, since i've been corrected on the weight that was stated, he will need to watch his tongue weight against his cargo capacity on his truck AND he will need to possibly do an upgrade on his receiver - especially if it's the chevy round tube receiver.

If it's a newer 2007+ Chevy, it will be on the new GMT-900 platform which is has different suspension and is beefier than the platforms pre-2007 model.

The Vortec Engine in the Chevy's has been around a long time and it a pretty good engine for a small block V8

After knowing the weights - and knowing what we tow with what we have - i'd tow that trailer with that truck. Of course it's just my humble opinion.

TXiceman -

Quote:

3000 miles of towing makes an expert on towing???? With the various vehicles we have had, I am well over 100,000 miles with a trailer in tow.

Comparing a new 1/2 ton to ride on an older 3/4 ton is like apples and oranges. When we went from the the 1997 F350 to the 2002 F350, the difference in ride and quitness was amazing. You need to campare like years of the truck.

Yes, a newer 1/2 ton will have a better ride, but how much difference in actually handling the load


I find it funny that you have assumed we've towed 3000 miles? Don't know where that number came from but we're more like 10,000+ in the 2 1/2 years we've owned the TT/TV combo. Even though I stated ride as one of the reasons, the 1/2 ton still tows the trailer better and handles it just fine. Also, there's a reason we have a 3/4 ton truck - we tow those big dump trailers fully loaded on a regular basis - you know, the tall big ones that weigh quite a bit and then you load them up? Been doing that for around 25+ years so we're not "new" to towing and weights and what not. Oh, by the way, the 1/2 ton STILL tows the dump trailers better than the 3/4 ton too and yes, i'm talking about "handling the load" and not the ride. BTW: Our half-ton has over 120 more horsepower and more torque than your F350 - and that's with 3.42 rear gearing!

* This post was last edited 02/25/09 12:39pm by havedreamwilltravel *


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 03:17pm

smkettner wrote:

I have never seen a length specification in any tow rating ever. Anyone?


I haven't. I've seen "guidelines" which is just that - just a basic guide which isn't bad to start with but it's not "law". We are towing a 29'1" trailer with a 116" wheelbase. Our hitch setup is dialed in as perfect as can be and I would drive that combo over a large truck/trailer combo with just a ball drop and no WD or sway control any day.

Unfortunately towing isn't just hard and fast numbers. So many other equations come into play and it's the whole picture.

Most of it is common sense - which sometimes isn't so common. You don't want to pull a 30' trailer with a VW bug. Seriously, I did see a smaller older Toyota Tacoma pulling what appeared to be about a 30' Toyhauler (when we were next to him our trailers were about the same length), plus he had an ATV sitting front end up in his bed and his headlights were aiming for the sun! THAT was one scary set up and we actually did pick up speed just to get away from him! Common sense would have said "I can't do this!"


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 01:58pm

wolfe59 wrote:

Guys I'm sorry, I guess I need to get all the facts straight before I post, I will never again guesstimate on my figures.
I have enjoyed reading all the post and yes, my thoughts when I posted was leaning more towards the length of the trailer. Once long ago when I was first looking at buying our first trailer (pop-up) I remember someone having some rule of thumb about the length of the trailer in realations to the length of the tow-vehicle, hence me asking the question.
Again, thanks for all the input and I promise never to post without having all the FACTS.


Since you have the Denali engine on a newer platform - that changes a lot! With the 6.2L engine, 417 ft-lbs of torque mated to the 6 speed transmission with the upgraded suspension that comes with the Denali package - you should not have many if any issue pulling it.

Get a good WDH w/integrated sway control (Hensley on the high end price range, Equalizer and Reese Dual Cam on a real salary price range )

Re: wheel base change - your still okay. IIRC - the guideline (and it's just that - a guideline) is 20'ft for the first 100" and 1 ft. for every 6" (?) thereafter. I think that's what it was. Maybe someone can correct if the numbers are wrong.

Anyway. The Denali engine/trans/torque is GREAT! THAT much I can attest to as it's what we tow our trailer with! Pulls our 6500#'s like it's nothing.

There are a couple of other people towing with the Denali engine on this board - with excellent positive results as well.


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 11:29am

redriversolar wrote:

If you plan on winning a race while towing and working the lanes through traffic like an ambulance then you are best to consider a truck built more like a tank.

On the other hand if you plan to do 55 to save a few bucks on fuel, are in no hurry to pass, won't sweat the line up behind you going up the hill and will buy a WDH for those windy open stretches and good handling, you will be just fine.

Towing is partially about attitude. I have a good friend that is embarrassed if he has a line up behind on a hill climb and would rather stomp on the accelerator and burn the fuel than be the guy that annoys folks for even one minute. I, on the other hand, think the highway is not a motor speedway and unless there is an actual ambulance on my tail (for which I will pull over) I think I am teaching folks a lesson in patience.

Happy trails!


Okay...ONCE AGAIN - what does this HAVE to do with the LENGTH of the wheelbase and the length of the trailer the OP asked? Without knowing the full specs of his truck you assume he won't win any races with a TT weighing 6100 pounds. I'm going to "assume" you'd look at my combo and figure we don't win any races either because it carries the badge of "half-ton" pulling a 6500 fully loaded TT. You wouldn't be any more wrong. We were ONLY one of a couple of combo's to go up and over a 10% grade for 9 miles at 55 (with no downshifting) while we passed LOTS of combo's with 3/4 ton trucks. Only other combo that we kept with was a 1 ton diesal pulling a trailer. What I CAN'T do is ASSUME that ALL those 3/4 tons should not have been struggling up that grade because I do not know the weights of the trailers they are pulling.

You all do know that a light or ultralight 30' trailer can weight THOUSANDS of pounds less than a 24' regular trailer right?

once again - THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT WEIGHT AND CAN I TOW IT?

It is NOT a WEIGHT question but a length question asked by the original poster!

To the Original Poster:

Heck ya! With a 157" wheelbase truck i'd tow a 30' trailer with my Equalizer with built in sway control and the Prodigy. I'd tow it with a Hensley, i'd tow it with a Propride. Regarding the length of THAT trailer with THAT wheelbase you can tow THAT trailer.

* This post was edited 02/25/09 11:58am by havedreamwilltravel *


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 10:26am

dodge guy wrote:

TXiceman wrote:


A 31' trailer is still too much for a 1/2 ton truck and I give up at this point. And you do not need a class 7 or 8 tractor for it...that is a silly comparison.


Barring weight, how is a long wheelbase 1/2 ton going to tow any different than a long wheel base 3/4-1 ton? they`ll both have the same wheelbase!


I also keep trying to bring it back around! The WHEELBASE is the same on a 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton and the OP NEVER ASKED ABOUT WEIGHT OR IF HE COULD TOW IT WEIGHTWISE!

He did ask if he could tow it LENGTHWISE and with a 157" wheelbase (I think he said) YES, he could tow a 30' trailer. TONNAGE of tow vehicle does not change the length question the OP was asking.

I have to think that if the OP asked his question like this: I have a 157" wheelbase truck can I tow a 30' trailer - the answers would all be "yes, as long as the weight is within the specs".

Throw the word "half-ton" in a post and everyone who has a 3/4 ton - 1 ton freak out


Posted By: havedreamwilltravel on 02/25/09 08:42am

Quote:

If most of the adament 1/2 ton drivers would ever try pulling their trailer with a 3/4 ton truck, they would quickly see and feel the difference in how easily the rig drives. My suggestion is to listen to the folks that have made the change and listen to their advice.


We have a 3/4 ton work truck (older Chevy) but prefer to use the 1/2 ton for towing. Our 1/2 ton has better suspension, more torque and tows the trailer easier than the 3/4 ton. Plus it sucks less gas and is a LOT more comfortable on those long haul trips (10-11 hours) towing than the 3/4 ton truck

BTW: To the OP. I believe MOST of the answers on here are dealing with weight and can you tow it. Your question was length of trailer to wheelbase of truck I believe.

For that you have MORE than enough wheelbase to handle a 30' trailer. I'd be willing to bet you have a longer wheelbase than about 1/2 of us on here pulling that length of a TT.

Weights are a completely different issue and even though you didn't ask, just make sure you are within the specs of both the cargo capacity of your truck and the tow capacity of your vehicle.

Keep your tongue weight of your trailer around 13% of the loaded trailer weight, invest in a good WDH hitch and brake controller (we use THE Equalizer and Prodigy. Hensley, Propride and others though expensive are really good and top of the line hitches as well).

As far as length - your fine to tow this trailer WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT (don't just do a ball drop on the back end of your truck - then you have zero control over sway and loss of steering control on the front tires!)


Posted By: doxiluvr on 02/25/09 05:48pm

Too much trailer for that size truck.


2006 Keystone Sprinter 300fkms
2007 Silverado 2500 Duramax Diesel 6.6 - Allison 1000 6 spd. auto. tran.
1 high school sweetheart hubby - 1 mini-dachshund/Chihuahua - Abby
4 grown kids, 6 grandkids, 1 great-grandchild
1 2007 Yamaha v-Star 1300


Posted By: crazymama2 on 02/25/09 08:53pm

I pulled a 19' trailer with my 1/2 ton Suburban. Then went to a 32' lightweight trailer and pulled it with the same Suburban and an Equalizer hitch. The 32' actually pulled easier and smoother than the 19'. I am quite happy with my Suburban. I am even more happy that I don't have a 3/4 ton truck payment.


Posted By: TURBODOG1000 on 02/25/09 02:14pm

wolfe59, Sounds like a good match. Go get it and have a Great Summer!


2005 F150 XLT Supercab LB Heavy Payload 5.4, 4.10
2007 Jayco Jayflight 31BHDS
Back-up camera on the TT with infrared & microphone
Prodigy
ScanGauge II
Reese duel cam hitch, U-bolt style ($40 at a garage sale)
2 canoes, 3 kayaks, & camping dog (Tootsie)


Posted By: wayno6477 on 02/25/09 11:32am

I have a 2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 with the Vortex Max 6.0L and 3.73 gearing and pull a K-Z Spree 290 BHS which is around 30' and have had no problems towing it. Our truck seeems to have plenty of power to accelerate on the freeways,etc. and I am happy with the way it tows, the gas mileage could be better but you can't have everything.


Posted By: Bduece on 02/25/09 04:41pm

I wish people on the road worried about their setup as much as the people on this forum. It amazes me what you see on the highway. The worst I've seen was a F150 towing a 298 Springdale with a custom Golfcart in the bed of the truck. He was moving along without a care in the world. Setup is the key. It took me a few pulls to get my setup right. When I first got my trailer the WD hitch turion bars where under rated and my first brake controller was scary. I was going to buy airbags. I bought the prodigy and a new set of bars. The truck drives level, no sway and no more see sawing over bumbs. Best of all I can relax!


Bill
2006 Dodge Ram QCSB 4x4 hemi
05 Forest River Cherokee 28A+



Posted By: wrighta on 02/25/09 08:05am

I think you will be fine. There on lots of people on this forum who will tell you that you need a 3/4 or 1 ton to tow anything more than a pop up. Good luck!


Posted By: redwake on 02/25/09 10:20am

i'm within my tow ratings with a 1/2 ton yea id like a bigger truck but wanting doesn't justify the spending. it gets the job done safely. the trucks as safe as the driver wants it to be its not hard to slow down.


TT: 08 Monterey 27 PT by Extreme RV
TV: 05 Eddie Bauer Expedition w/5.4L 3.31 Gears
Hitched with a Husky WD & SC.
Powered by Champion 3500



Posted By: Coachman Dave on 02/25/09 01:41pm

I have a 2007 Coachmen Ultralite 281-RBS that measures in at over 31feet. The base weight is 4900 lbs with a carrying capacity of 1600 lbs and a hitch weight of 700 lbs. I have a 2001 Ford F150 Supercrew with a 3.55 gear ratio and a 5.4 liter engine.

Like many posters have already told you, I will not win a single race pulling my rig, but it does pull right down the road. I take my time getting to any campground, and I really slow it down going up hills.

Dave


2011 Ford F150 4x4, XLT Supercrew, Ecoboost, 3.73 Rear, Max Trailer Tow, Off Road, Chrome Package, Dark Blue Pearl.

2011 Coachmen Freedom Express 295 RLDS


Posted By: TXiceman on 03/03/09 07:19am

Just remember that they make little trucks for little trailers and big trucks for big trailers. It does not work well to try and use a little truck with a larger trailer.

Ken


Posted By: dodge guy on 03/03/09 07:35am

TXiceman wrote:

Just remember that they make little trucks for little trailers and big trucks for big trailers. It does not work well to try and use a little truck with a larger trailer.

Ken





Posted By: mike77leprechaun on 02/25/09 10:12pm

I have been towing 30 footers for 3 years with 1/2 ton ext. cabs no issues


Posted By: mike77leprechaun on 03/01/09 12:48pm

Just tow with it for awhile and see how it feels. I manage my rig fine but I will probably go 3/4 when it's time to upgrade


Posted By: Livinmydreams on 03/01/09 11:16am

It looks to me that your already unsure that your truck or you could pull it off. Your going to be white knuckeling for some time. For a more stress free trip I would get a 3/4.


LIFE IS SHORT GET OUTDOORS!


Posted By: MPTLKT on 03/01/09 01:19pm

I to fall in the class of towing a 30' with a half ton. You really need to watch the total weight. I have not had any problems towing my TT. We go a bit slow up hills, but I can deal with it. If you use your truck as a daily driver there are many things to consider. I own my truck and replacing it at this point is out of the question. As for the bakes if the TT brakes and the controller are working properly there should not be a problem. One thing to keep in mind is that vehicles such as mid size trucks /SUV's and even some mini vans carry a 1/2 ton rating. That said I would only use a full size 1/2 ton for towing something that large. A good rule of thumb is to keep the loaded weight 1000lbs below the max tow capacity.


2002 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad-Cab
DW, 2 boys, 1 daughter, 1 dog



Posted By: Kampfirekid on 03/03/09 05:59am

I am still watching this thread closely as I am calculating all my weights in regards to my trucks actual ratings. In any case, as the OP asked, as 30 foot trailer is no issue for a 1/2 ton. It's the things in between that matter:

1) Payload. Tongue weight is part of payload. Many crew cab style 1/2 tons are close to 1,200 pounds payload. Watch out, too. I built my truck for towing and read the 1,640 payload in the brochure. The truck was delivered with a 1,329 actual payload. I currently exceed that payload number by close to 500 pounds.

2) Gross Vehicle Weight. Well, my excess payload has me exceeding the GVW, as well.

3) Axle Weight Ratings. Although the sum of the axle ratings on my truck exceed the GVWR by about 500 pounds, my excess payload and tongue weight have me just about at that limit. I run an empty truck bed when towing, which is very inconvenient, and anything in the bed will most likely push the axle ratings.

4) Gross Combined Vehicle Weight. I'll never exceed this rating because I can't tow in that manner. The book rates this 14,500 rating on my truck ONLY with an EMPTY truck with DRIVER ONLY and the maximum trailer weight of 9200 pounds. I have a family of four that camp. Unless I drive two vehicles, we're always in the truck. So, again, I'm probably pushing the weight limts (or over) if towing by the book.

5) Trailer Hitch Weight. If I did not tow with a WDH, I'd be way over the 500 tongue limit with a Class IV hitch. With the WDH, I found 800 on the 2008 F-150. I also read 1,100 somewhere else. I am at about 850, so wether I'm in the mix or not, I am in the process of revamping our up-front storage to redistribute the weight, so I can get the tongue weight down and lower my payload, my GVW, etc. It may be impossible with our trailer as all the storage for the heavier stuff is either in the truck bed, or the front storage of the trailer.

6) Tires. Although I am well covered here with Load-E tires, some of you may watch your ratings - especially when you approach GCWR's and GVWR's. This is especially true with P-metric tires.

I am going through all my camping gear this spring to determine exactly what we need and dump all excess weight. If I had to do it all over again, I'd shy away from front storage-only trailers as I have alot of stuff I take to be "prepared" and ready for about anything I need. The last thing I want to do is make some sort of storage bins that I can lock in place in the back of our trailer to redistribute some of the weight. I got away from a pop-up and the last hybrid because I like to drop hitch, crank out stabilizers, and camp... not unload my trailer and repack it in storage compartments after we arrive.

Although 1/2 tons are good vehicles and well above the 1/2 tons of yesteryear, I'm seroiusly reconsidering a 3/4 ton myself. I salivated over a new 2009 F-150, but the payload was dropped even further with the longer cab this year, and I can't afford to drop any more payload despite the new six-speed tow/haul tranny, integrated brake control, anti-sway, etc... And my dream of the baby diesel will be crushed, too.


2013 Ford 350 Superduty Lariat. 6.7L Stock. Loaded.
2011 Jayco Flight G2 32BHDS


Posted By: Kampfirekid on 02/26/09 06:39am

In one word... PAYLOAD. Watch payload. Tongue weight is payload and that's where alot of these ratings start to fall apart. Once you've maxed out your payload, you've probably maxed out your GVWR. With the new 1/2 tons - especially the 2009 F-150, it's almost hard to max out the max trailer weight rating without going well over the GVWR.


Posted By: Lobocop on 02/26/09 09:31am

Instead of being one of the weight police crowd or bashing the size of ones TV the config of your TV and Trailer are fine. Enjoy your travels and don't feel the need to keep up with the Jones's.

* This post was edited 02/26/09 04:18pm by an administrator/moderator *


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Wifes 2004 Dodge 2500 Cummins
2007 Lance 805 cab over
2003 Wilderness 27H GL


Posted By: Bduece on 02/26/09 07:45am

I have a friend who is going to be towing with a Nissan Frontier with a 6100lb tow rating. He was worried about what he could tow and I told him about the 80% rule. I also explained to him the fact that you should add 10% to the claimed dry weight of the trailer. I believe this is good rule of thumb and sound advice. The OP has 1000lbs to spare with these rules. 80% rule lets him tow a 6800lbs and the 10% rule puts him at 5746lbs dry weight for the trailer. With a brake controller and a properly setup WD hitch he'll have no problem.

* This post was edited 02/26/09 08:32am by Bduece *


Posted By: wildwood32 on 02/26/09 07:34am

LAdams wrote:

Bdeuce wrote:

I wish people on the road worried about their setup as much as the people on this forum. It amazes me what you see on the highway. The worst I've seen was a F150 towing a 298 Springdale with a custom Golfcart in the bed of the truck. He was moving along without a care in the world.


Yup, I agree, and it also amazes me on what some in this forum nod their head on and give a newbie the OK on - - and then of course you get the "I've been towing like this for the last 5 years and 30,000 miles all over the country and I haven't had any problem"... YEAH - RIGHT!!!

Sometimes it just doesn't do any good - because those who are doing it, and KNOW they shouldn't be doing it, become ratified when someone else asks if it's OK... And then we here the "I've been towing like this for the last 50,000 miles and I don't have any problem", or "We only tow 50 miles to lake and below 50 MPH so I shouldn't have a problem"... Stick around here long enough and you hear them all, and then you here them all again!!!

I once saw a member here post in no less than 4 different RV forums until he got the answer he wanted - still happens from time to time here... And people will find a way to justify anything when it's what they want - it's called human nature I agree with limits,but there are some of you who don't believe that you should tow a pop up with out a 1 ton dualy diesel truck and will be happy to tell you that you can't tow a thing unless you have the biggest truck possible.I agree that there are many out there that are pushing the limits and everyone knows who they are.But there are people close to the limits as I am,close not over that can tow just fine.

Les



If its Friday,see ya on monday.Have camper,will camp.


Posted By: wildwood32 on 02/26/09 07:36am

I don't know what happened with my quote,it got included with la's.sorry still new at all this.


Posted By: wildwood32 on 02/26/09 07:42am

Try again,yes limits are just that,limits and there are people who disregard them.Then again some of the weight police belive that if you are to tow a pop up,you better be towing with a 1 ton dualy diesel and if you try anything less then you shouldn't be towing.I am one of those towing close,not over but close to the limits and do just fine.It is true that ever TT and TV combination is different so many people on both sides love to give his opinion and that is what it is,an opinion.Can't we all just get along.


Posted By: Donny D on 02/25/09 09:28pm

Maybe This would be better asked somewhere else, but here it goes. Whats the point of having a towing capacity if you say it is still to much even when obeying the 80% rule.?? If your within ALL limits how is a 1/2 3/4 1 ton going to tow any different? I have 2 trucks, A 150 personal vehicle and a 350 work truck that looks like a ranger beside my 150.(slight exaggeration). But seriously if your within limits and setup properly, dont just say you cant pull it.Why not?? the trucks are pretty much the same size. OK OK the suspension is different yada yada, but uf withtin limits then that particular setup is designed to work. If Im wrong Im just asking someone to give me a reason, Back it up.


2010 F-150 FX2 crew cab
2009 KZ Spree 240BHS
Me
DW
DD's '93 & '95
DS '94
My best friend Jake our red fox Lab '07

"Old enough to know better, Still to young to care"



Posted By: Island-Slacker on 02/25/09 11:05pm

As long as your not this guy!

Anyways lighten up some of you guys are wound too tight






Posted By: rolopolo on 03/01/09 05:43pm

i tow 6500 lbs all over the state of ohio and west virginia in the form of a 30' travel trailer with a ford f-150 5.4 tow package and a 3.55 gear ratio 30,000 miles no problems yet.


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