Ron3rd wrote: No problem, it does look interesting.
I agree, and I would say in another inch or so the back window will be gone.
There’s a guy on Tundrasolutions with basically the same setup. There’s a company that makes a special slider hitch for the Crew Max for a 5er. To me, it looks like this setup puts the weight too far back, ie, behind the axle. No thanks.
Ron3rd wrote: No problem, it does look interesting.
I agree, and I would say in another inch or so the back window will be gone.
There’s a guy on Tundrasolutions with basically the same setup. There’s a company that makes a special slider hitch for the Crew Max for a 5er. To me, it looks like this setup puts the weight too far back, ie, behind the axle. No thanks.
I looked at one of those with my '00 Tundra as the box on it is under 6', instead I went with a the Reese 16,000 slider (I wanted the 4 way tilting), had to be careful on tight turns just the same or take out the rear window.... opps too late did it once.
You know what folks, I don;t care to a point if he is canadian, drives a japanese branded truck assembled in Texas or where ever! Heck, my wife drives a german badged SUV, ie Mercedes, that is assembled in Georgia and from there, goes thru out the US< and the rest of the world! Yep that is right, the M-series is made here, and sent elsewhere!
Also, a lot of you were/are not to happy that I said his load would be legal. Need to go make a post in the weight law thread, with a link to the US DOT website that talks about wieght laws, what and how they are to be enforced, where they started....back in the late 1800's before cars mind you! NO WHERE does it state manufactures ratings are what to go by! You always get the maximum allowable axel wt by law! there are a few loop holes to reduce it from 20K per single and 34K per tandem and 80K overall, but you are ALWAYS guarenteed this amounts! The goal is to make it so folks have legal axel loads, as to NOT destroy, harm the roads themselves. So the component that is being protected, is the road itself. What can the road handle. The OP's toyota at 8000 lbs with say 4000 lbs per axel, is WAY under the roads 20K per axel limit!
Now as far as warrenty goes, the dealer he has to take it too............now we gots us some problems. BUT, he is still legal under the US Federal Bridge laws, and how they are to be enforced! Some.....no, make that a LOT of you are not going to like it, but thems the breaks!
Time to find the link! google is about to be my friend!
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I agree with Marty. In the State of Idaho, they don't care about your axle limits, only that you are not going to hurt their roads at over 20,000 per single axle.
I'm not saying I know everything about truck enforcement. That is the jobs of Commercial LE Officers as it alone is a full time job.
But with 28 years with an Idaho Sheriff's Dept, Traffic Division, I did get quite a lot of exposure to commercial trucking law.
I know of no laws that require one to not exceed the weight ratings of a manufacturer.
There are laws that entitle us to "accompany" a commercial vehicle to the nearest weigh station if we suspect they are overweight. But a civilian vehicle or RV - NO WAY - unless we have probable cause to pull them over for something else. Only then could we discuss the possibility of overweight contributing to the (whatever reason he was pulled over for). But it would have to be an obvious gross overload.
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Quote: I have a 34 ft 5th wheel which is about 10,000 lbs empty and loaded up is 12 K with fifth wheel hitch, generator, gas, tools, etc in the truck box.
About 500-600 of the 12,000 estimated weight is stuff that is actually, physically in the truck box.
By the time you put extra batteries, full propane tanks, water in the system, picknick tables, extension cords, tools, bedding, food, etc., etc., into the trailer, I don't think it's a far stretch to get to another 1,400 - 1,500 lbs loaded into the trailer.
Do you?
I thought you said you were "done" about 5 posts ago?
I'll also assume some of the shots you fired about lug stud strength were fired at me. Well, that's fine. You can believe whatever you want to believe and I'll do the same. I've worked as a medium/heavy truck mechanic professionally in the past and have observed first hand the effects of overloading trucks and it's not pretty. I'm not suggesting that going down the road suddenly a wheel will fly off, but as overweight as you state you are (although you haven't posted your actual weights yet), what if you hit a large pothole with a rear wheel on your truck and the extra loads/forces are exerted on the already overloaded axle/lug studs/wheel?
Do you feel there is enough "engineering tolerance" built into your set-up to absorb that repeatadly without issue?
Just some food for thought.....
He is a troll. This going on and on about him being a little overweight and it is acceptable to him. He laughs at those spending extra money on a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup to handle a little extra weight. It won't be a laughing matter when we read about him in the news some day when he kills his family or someone elses because of his ignorance. He is not the brightest lightbulb in the bunch.
It is obvious this guy doesn't care what you or anyone has to say. God help his family.
ib516 wrote: Personally, I appreciate the photo of your rig to prove it exists.
Why not hit the scales, weigh the thing (truck and RV) and post the weights? I'd be interested in seeing exactly what the weights are.
It's my plan to, next week when I intend on being near a scales. I'm getting 4 new tires for the rig (blowout last tow of the season last fall) (damn mission tires) anyway, so I'll be going near where there is a scale.
Hey, collision reconstructionist, have you seen many collisions due to being 20% over rated cap?
Just wondering
1) I've had experience with Missions poor excuse for RV tires - a blowout that cost me a fender on the RV and a new tire on my Cougar TT.
2) Never investigated a collision I could directly attribute to an overloaded vehicle, BUT, I work in a city. I do know Reconstructionists in BC, Canada that investigate plenty of RV crashes, usually at the bottom of a steep grade where the road curves. That said, there are a number of commercial vehicles that "lose it" in the same areas - and by commercial vehicles, I mean tractor-trailer (semi) units. I don't have a clue how many of these (if any) they attibute to overloading. Most of the serious ones I go to involve excess speed, alcohol, or both.
My take on it is this:
- When I attend a major (fatality or serious injury) collision, part of the investigative process is to weigh each vehicle involved - not necessarily to check if they are overweight or overloaded, but because many of the mathematical formulas I use involve kinetic energy, and mass (weight) is a component of that energy. Weighing every vehicle is standard procedure, and completely necessary.
- If I found a vehicle was overloaded by some significant margin, I would take that into account on deciding what if any charges would be laid. Just as we as police officers don't write speeding tickets at 1 Km/h over the speed limit, a slightly overloaded condition would be unlikely to matter in the investigation - HOWEVER...
- If the vehicle is grossly/negligently overloaded, it could cause the driver to be charged with Criminal Negligence or Dangerous Operation of a Motor Vehicle (Canadian Laws). At what percentage over a given weight limit that may kick in is impossible to pin down, as so much depends on the many other circumstances that would inevitably be involved in the crash, and if/how an overloaded condition contributed to the event. Much would depend on what we call, in Candian Law, Mens Rea. It's a latin term for "guilty mind". Meaning "What did the driver know?" "Did he know he was overloaded and that it may be unsafe?" Etc etc. Then a scenario like this gets "What if'd..." to death. Each event is different and unique.
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The thing some of you need to remember when it comes to overloading, while there is teh component part, most of the time, they look at it from a road component standpoint, ie maximum allowed. IE in the states, 20K single, 34K tandem, 80K total! I am sure in some rare cases, they ie police will work on it from a component overload, but, one must remember, the laws need to be easy to follow, defensible at least in US in supreme court etc. So if a wreck is a component break/failure, that will be listed as the cause, not overloading per say!
Firstly, I will assure you that I wouldn't try to haul your camper with my Tundra. Mine, however, I believe is near enough my rated capacities for my comfort level. I do appreciate all the help however in removing my head from my butt. At present, my head is comfortable where it's at.
Perhaps, if you don't choose to believe what I'm writing, you can call your local GMC dealer and ask if they'll sell a truck to someone living in Canada, for direct export. What they will tell you is you should go to a Canadian dealer, that they will not honor any rebates, that your warranty will not be honored if you are living outside of the US, and they will double-charge your tax and registration costs, both in the US where you buy the truck, and then in Canada when you want to register.
Toyota did not do this. They sold tax- and registration-free, with a 31 day tag, gave me $4,000 off the $42,000.00 list price, they threw in some extras like running boards, etc., and the warranty is valid regardless where in North America I live and drive. I believe Subaru also did not. Dodge, Ford, GMC, Honda, and the european makers do (or did) have non-export clauses on purchase of vehicles. That accounts for a significant difference in cost. You may call bull**** at your peril, because at no place have I said anything other than the truth. You may not like it, but facts are facts. Not like opinions, like "if you overload your truck, the axle will snap in half" and similar opinions, unsubstantiated by ANY demonstrable facts.
In this thread, what I've seen is opinion over and over, and very little factual evidence to say that towing 12 K with a truck rated for 10,300 K will result in some disaster down the road, nor that 2,200 or thereabouts payload in a vehicle rated for 1,530 will result in sudden catastrophic wheel bearing failure with the result that the wheel will fly off into the ditch.
I guess I asked for opinions, and you know what they say about opinions, they're like ***holes, everyone has one.
You just shot yourself in the a$$ with your first sentence. Because, that's exactly what your are doing. Hauling my trailer with your truck. My toy hauler is 10945lbs empty and right at 12K camp ready without water. So what's another 6'? Not that much. Come on over and we'll take it for a spin. I'm sure your air bags can hadle the extra 300lbs of pin weight.
You are wrong on the fact of Dodge/Chevy not selling to you Canada folk. I know first hand; as there were three....not one or two, but three Canadians sitting around/next to me at Dave Smith Motors when I bought my truck in Sept of last year. And guess what, they bought tax and registration free JUST as I did being from out of state. And they drove there happy butts right across the border. I'm about 10000000% sure that most if not all Ford dealers will do the same.
Yes it is opinion that your truck will blow up and take you and possibly someone else with you when it goes. But guess what, it's an opinion(from many, many folks) that have the knowledge and experience to estimate this possiblility. It's not because your truck is red, or you are from the north pole, or you have 8 toes and 7 fingers, it's because you have grossly overloaded your truck. Nothing personal, just factual. Period.
I'm guessing that since I have this opinion, I am an a$$hole.
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