So, let me get this straight, the only way your going to worry about towing as overweight as you are AM, is to have to hear about a wreck or someone actually getting a ticket or something to that effect for doing the same thing your doing. Hopefully, they'll be no such event, wouldn't want to wish it on anyone. Whether you want to hear it or admit it, anyone towing 1,000# over their vehicles GVWR isn't practicing safe driving or towing techniques. Something will eventually give, a Tundra, Nissan, Dodge, Chevy or Ford, none of them are "bullet proof", if you abuse them, they will fail at some time, hopefully it won't be while one is driving 60 mph down the road towing well over their TV's recommended GVWR.
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Keith99RS wrote: FWIW fellas the weight police aren't people who call you out for being overloaded by 1,000 plus pounds. Common sense police perhaps, but not weight police. The weight police are those who SEE a truck towing a trailer or a set up sitting in a campsite (i.e. no 1/2 ton can tow ANY 5er, no 1/2 ton can tow a 30ft TT....) and assume it is overweight just due to length or looks. In this case the OP has posted he is grossly overweight by the numbers. No badge needed here. He outed himself. No one is guessing about specs, he posted them.
Try again. The weight police are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a manufacturers label.
Its very clear that two of our posters are high ranking officers within the weight police.
NC Hauler wrote: So, let me get this straight, the only way your going to worry about towing as overweight as you are AM, is to have to hear about a wreck or someone actually getting a ticket or something to that effect for doing the same thing your doing. Hopefully, they'll be no such event, wouldn't want to wish it on anyone. Whether you want to hear it or admit it, anyone towing 1,000# over their vehicles GVWR isn't practicing safe driving or towing techniques. Something will eventually give, a Tundra, Nissan, Dodge, Chevy or Ford, none of them are "bullet proof", if you abuse them, they will fail at some time, hopefully it won't be while one is driving 60 mph down the road towing well over their TV's recommended GVWR.
Not practicing safe driving practices? Get real.
The guy drives 60 mph and is completely comfortable with his TV, and you say he is unsafe. Not only that, but AM is quite aware of his setup and drives accordingly.
So i want to know; what's the big deal?
Why shoot the messenger?
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Redoildoctor wrote: The weight police are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a manufacturers label.
What do we call the corollary:
"The ______________ are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a guesstimate or opinion."
I'd like to start applying the term soonest.
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"Try again. The weight police are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a manufacturers label."
Actually, people who condone those who tow grossly over their GVWR are those that post over and over trying to get thier point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than their own ideas of what they "Might" or "Ought" to be able to do, manufacturing specs by the auto manufacturer is tossed out the window, because they aren't right.
Its very clear that two of our posters are high ranking officers within the weight police.
I will admit, I have been called worse by better and I'll get over it.
We haven't been talking about being a couple hundred pounds over ones GVWR, we're talking about being 1,000# over, what part of that do some of you not understand. I don't rank high at anything, nor ever claimed to, but safe is safe and 1,000# over ones GVWR is not acting responsibly on a public highway. How does one know how fast he is towing, are you out there on the road with him?? Do you actually think driving 60 miles an hour with a TV that is 1,000# loaded over it's GVWR is the safe thing to do??? I don't care if he's doing 60 mph and knows how to drive or not, doesn't mean something still can't/won't happen.
The ______________ are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a guesstimate or opinion."
I'd like to start applying the term soonest.
I have to admit, I got lost on this one, I'll fill in the blank with ,"soonest"???
I don't know how many of you were in on AM's first post that got closed, in it he was bragging and boasting about how much better the 1/2 ton was at towing 1000# over it's GVWR than a 3/4 ton that he almost purchased to do the same towing job, and how thankful he was that he didn't purchase the 3/4 ton. By adding airbags and larger capacity tires to his Tundra, he is now capable of towing what a 3/4 ton truck tows, in fact, per AM, the Tundra IS a 3/4 ton truck.
I don't have a problem with all this discussion, if your for towing grossly over ones GVWR, that's your perogative, just as it is our's to give our opinion that we don't think it is wise to do so, but to start acting like kids and resorting to name calling, really doesn't do much for your cause. Weight Police to me is no big deal. The ones that I have a problem with are the ones that border sublimely ridiculous by saying get a 1 ton drw to tow a pop up, and they mean it. That is dumb. When we're talking 1,000# over ones GVWR, that's not only from the messagenger, that's from the SOURCE, and I'm not shooting anyone, that's when I'm going to recommend getting a vehicle that could handle that load, and have been NO MORE adament about it than those of you who are condoning it.
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American Made wrote: If you want to convince someone they're wrong, maybe show a few cases where people towed over the truck capacity and actually got into trouble.
Well, with only a 2 minute search, this story popped up... I don't think I would need a "few" stories like this to convince me of the legal ramifications you (God forbid) might face if you had an accident. Whether he is right or wrong or how he "feels" about towing his load doesn't matter much now.
smknf250 wrote: When I think of a half ton I think of hauling a small boat on the weekends or towing small flat bed trailers.
That's it..off to pick up a Jetta TDI for my trailer tomorrow.
While not the ideal vehicle for for your TT, it seems like the a great vehicle for the above towing duty. Maybe the Jetta, Corolla, Civic, and Focus are really 1/2 tons and the Tundra is a 5/8 ton?
Keith99RS wrote: FWIW fellas the weight police aren't people who call you out for being overloaded by 1,000 plus pounds. Common sense police perhaps, but not weight police. The weight police are those who SEE a truck towing a trailer or a set up sitting in a campsite (i.e. no 1/2 ton can tow ANY 5er, no 1/2 ton can tow a 30ft TT....) and assume it is overweight just due to length or looks. In this case the OP has posted he is grossly overweight by the numbers. No badge needed here. He outed himself. No one is guessing about specs, he posted them.
Try again. The weight police are people who post over and over trying to get their point across with no real data on the components structural capacity or durability other than a manufacturers label.
Its very clear that two of our posters are high ranking officers within the weight police.
LMAO!! No real data? Read back in this thread and back a few posts. I posted a cut and paste and a link directly from Toyotas towing guide stating not to exceed payloads. I also cut and pasted from the Firestone airbag site where they state not to use their product to exceed manufacturers GVWR. Now compare that with the "real data" you read that the OP posted to say the manufacturers are totally wrong and don't know what they are talking about.
It is very clear you have issues with reading comprehension or selectively interpret what you read.
American Made wrote: If you want to convince someone they're wrong, maybe show a few cases where people towed over the truck capacity and actually got into trouble.
Well, with only a 2 minute search, this story popped up... I don't think I would need a "few" stories like this to convince me of the legal ramifications you (God forbid) might face if you had an accident. Whether he is right or wrong or how he "feels" about towing his load doesn't matter much now.
Exactly. Legal? Yep, he got no ticket for being overloaded. Get away scott free? Nope. Trial lawyer ate him alive, manslaughter charges resulting from the accident itself and insurance basically doing their minimum and exiting stage left. I think at this point the guy who had the wreck would gladly trade the money he saved by not having the right vehicle for his requirements to have his life back. Suddenly that F350 dually or F450 looks pretty cheap. But hey, he didn't get a ticket for being over loaded right? So all must be good.
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