I think this came up on here last year. I had found the weight breakdown then. I think it was mentioned then that why would you pay to register the trailer weight twice. My trailer has a GWR of 11,500#, so the state allows you to get a permanant tag for trailers over 10,000#. Why would you pay for it again with the truck. As stated, the weight class sticker is for the truck itself (GVWR). The better question is why don't some of the trucks have stickers. And if you look compare different trucks, you will see the weight class stickers don't always make sense.
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Chickie wrote: I checked with my local state representative and they said yes my truck should be registered for the combined weight.
Are you saying that you don't have to register a trailer in Pa? Why would the TRUCK take the registration on both truck and trailer? Creative taxation possibly? That would be taxing your trailer twice to pay for the weight with the truck AND the trailer.
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chadsalt wrote: In SC a class 2 or larger pickup/truck is registered for BOTH the truck and trailer weight, my 2500HD Dmax is registered for 25,000 lbs, I know of several other states that are the same way.
I'm hoping I am right... that's the way I've always done it.
Well I read it differently that "Registered Gross Weight" is the whole shabang, TV and trailer. Looking at the tables this helps the Farm Trucks be legal when moving giant loads short distances such as hay, etc. from the fields to where ever. Almost every state IIRC has a CDL expemption for Farm Vehicles used under a certain distance from the registered address or place where stored and aren't rolling down the Interstate a 70mph with a bunch of other traffic.
I think what they are saying is just like the tractor trailers. Tractor Cass 8 is registered for 80,000 lbs plus there is a trailer license. Some trailers do have a permanent license but not all. I guess I can always play dumb if stopped and face the music if it happens. My big concern is what happens if and when I get pulled over out of state as we go to and from Florida each year.
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I know of no one who has registered their truck to coincide with their trailer. I'm very sure that the issue only arises for commercial vehicles. I never even heard of anyone being stopped or ticketed for not doing this. I don't even have my weight sticker on the windshield, I threw it in the glove box for every truck, all I display is the inspection sticker. One of my foreman got stopped two weeks ago as he exited the PA Turnpike by a PA DOT officer who just happened to be walking across the booth lanes to get in the building. Trooper hollered at him to hold up, asked for the registration and not the ins card, checked it and told him to go ahead. I said "You know why he stopped you, right?". I told him because the weight sticker was not out, and I guarantee he checked the scale weight in the booth (he was still in front of the booth). The trucks are overweight for sure. The guys all know it and if asked they know where it is for each truck. I don't have it on my co. p/u either, never asked for by anyone, Trooper, inspection mechanic, etc. I haul co. trailers and have been stopped and checked numerous times by PA Troopers, including DOT Troopers, I have never been questioned about the way things are registered. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Pay the $198 registration.
LarryJM, you are right in some respects. Here, farm vehicles are not required to be registered, inspected, or anything else. No weight restrictions, etc. If you can get it on the truck or trailer, for a farm, you can haul it. No questions unless you are over I believe it's 5 mi from the farm. Even then there are exceptions. Ie. some of your fields are more than 5 mi from the central farm, etc.
I have been looking into this for the last week. I have contacted the PA state police, penndot, penndot truck inspector, and a very good notary in the area that handles alot of vehicle registrations. What it boils down to is if your trailer has a GVW of 10,000 or more you must then get a weight class sticker for the truck that combines both the GVW of the truck and trailer. Traier has GVW of 14,000 and truck has GVW of 9200 I need a sticker for 23,200. This only applies if your trailer is 10,000 and over. If your trailer is under 10,000 the you only need a weight sticker for the GVW of the truck (9200).
You can look at form MV-70S on PennDot's site for the class/weight stickers. The reason I was told that most people did not realize this is that the police were not enforceing it. But due to budgets and a number of accidents the state police are really cracking down on this. Some people were also registering their trailers for less the the GVW in order to save money on plates. If you get pulled over it does not matter what your registered weight is they will go by the weight plates/sticker of the vehicle.
I have a 2500HD with an unladen weight of 6,000. If I stayed with the weight sticker that was on it (2) I would only be able to put another 1000 lbs in the truck (I have put on some weight the last couple years) before I exceeded my sticker weight. One bright spot is that if your vehicle is over 9000 you do not need to get an emissions inspection.
The fine is 300/1000 lbs that you are over your sticker. I guess it boils down to how much of a chance do you want to take.
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That would be taxing your trailer twice to pay for the weight with the truck AND the trailer.
