WTTCS wrote: Not a good answer ...............but, If you still own a home in Az, how do you consider yourself a fulltimer?
You may claim to be a Tx domicile , but until you move your domicile (unless u already have) to Tx, Tx , IMO, will still consider you a visitor.
The Tx state troppers are some of the friendliest people in Tx, and very helpful, so I cannot imagine what took place. To have you exit the auto and stand on the side of the road, is very rare in Tx. Especially in WTex. And to grill your wife is very very uncommon. Especially if you were only doing 74MPH.
I would sure love to hear page two of this.
At the same time, you should study what Tx "calls" a resident. Working here May REQUIRE you to be considered a resident and in that case, Yes, you would have to have a Tx drivers license.
I don't know why you can't still own a house and consider yourself a full timer...when we go full time we will still own a house in Wisconsin that my brother is buying on land contract. It stays in our name until he either pays it off or gets his own loan.
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Happy_Trails wrote: Actually due to a new CA law if you are living in CA more than 20 days, you have to get vehicles licensed there and a CA drivers license. The CHP website solicits people to turn you in if they see your vehicle for a prolonged period of time to leave the info, license tags, etc on their website.
Bob actually there are legal workarounds on this so people need to check on their individual circumstances. I have friends coming for a few months stay from BC and they checked direct with the DMV and CHP and are fine. We also have many out of state FT'ers as Volunteer camp hosts with state parks here in Calif. and they are not being held to the above by either state parks or CHP. I read what you are talking about and it is pretty confusing, but it is not straight across the board as one might think. Example a loved one needed you here to help during a health crisis and you came from out of state to help care for them and they are not going to make you register your vehicle in Ca. for such. After talking to a good friend here who is a CHP he did some checking, got back to me and apparently this you mention refers to taking gainful employment in the state, not visiting, camping or even volunteering. I think if anyone has questions on this should contact the DMV and CHP directly for accurate info on the matter. Living and working for gainful employment (wages) and camping/visiting/volunteering are different matters. As put by the officer if it were as stated above nobody with a RV could come to Ca. for more than 20 days to visit or tour the state. That is not the intent here.
I think it is very vague with regard to Workamping, such a s a campground host where you get a free site and wages. I think that may be gainful employment.
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PopBeavers wrote: I think it is very vague with regard to Workamping, such a s a campground host where you get a free site and wages. I think that may be gainful employment.
If you get paid wages yes indeed it is considered gainful employment and the rules mentioned may apply. I spoke of Volunteer positions, not paid.
It has already been established that a Volunteer position where you are NOT paid and issued a 1099 and only given your site is NOT gainful employment. In these cases the state reports nothing to either themselves or the IRS. In such a case of the Volunteer where your site is provided for you is because the position requires you to live on site in order to perform your "Volunteer" duties. I became very acquainted with the whole process after being with state parks here in Ca. for nearly 7 years. I brought it up as it applies to other states as well. Just depends on the state. Anyway Volunteer hosting for Ca. state parks in not considered gainful employment for residency requirements and reasons. You are a Volunteer and NOT paid. We currently have most of our hosts here now from out of state and they pull 6 month tours and all this was brought out and explained up front.
1) Both of our cars and RV are registered in AZ.
2) Our physical address is in AZ, although we will be renting out the house.
3) Our RV is parked in TX, and I am working in TX.
Honestly, I'm not sure how long we'll stay here. I only said 8 months, because I wanted to stay in one place while we get things fixed up on the rig. We might decide to get a few things fixed and then move on within 3-4 months.
If we plan to stay at different locations 3-4 months at a time, then it is just insane to have to get new driver's licenses and re-register the vehicles in every state we go to. That just sounds ridiculous. Plus it would be very expensive and to the point where it just isn't worth traveling around anymore.
I also found this quote from a Texas University in regards to what they consider a TX resident:
"To qualify as a Texas resident, an individual must reside in Texas for 12 continuous months and establish a domicile in Texas the 12 months prior to census date."
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Viajo, "I don't know why you can't still own a house and consider yourself a full timer...when we go full time we will still own a house in Wisconsin that my brother is buying on land contract. It stays in our name until he either pays it off or gets his own loan."
On this any many other forums, a fulltimer is considered one who lives fulltime in an rv and does not own any other dwelling.
If you are "selling" your house, then you no longer own it. In the case we are speaking about, the OP states "
My AZ license is a valid license, and my address on it is my house which I still own. It's my permanent address. "
In every case I know of, by stating it is my "permament address and is my house" , certainly alludes to the fact that he is more of a working snowbird than anything. If that is the case, then state laws would apply that determine the domicile of him in Tx. Most states have laws that determine (under the judical system) who and when you become a resident. Owning a home in some other state does not make you a resident of that state. Many people own homes in other states , yet domicile in other than that state. Ninety percent of all domicile cases are actually judged on the "intent of the person" as to where they domicile, unless specific laws apply .
The key to domicile is to know the laws in each state and determine if you place yourself in a position to be considered "under the law" , to be a resident, whether you like it or not.
PopBeavers wrote: I think it is very vague with regard to Workamping, such a s a campground host where you get a free site and wages. I think that may be gainful employment.
If you get paid wages yes indeed it is considered gainful employment and the rules mentioned may apply. I spoke of Volunteer positions, not paid.
It has already been established that a Volunteer position where you are NOT paid and issued a 1099 and only given your site is NOT gainful employment. In these cases the state reports nothing to either themselves or the IRS. In such a case of the Volunteer where your site is provided for you is because the position requires you to live on site in order to perform your "Volunteer" duties. I became very acquainted with the whole process after being with state parks here in Ca. for nearly 7 years. I brought it up as it applies to other states as well. Just depends on the state. Anyway Volunteer hosting for Ca. state parks in not considered gainful employment for residency requirements and reasons. You are a Volunteer and NOT paid. We currently have most of our hosts here now from out of state and they pull 6 month tours and all this was brought out and explained up front.
So you are saying that if you get a job at say, Yosemite, for 4 months of the summer you have to get a CA driver's license even though you plan on returning to say Wisconsin? That's crazy! But I guess it shouldn't surprise me......
If you get a job, earning wages , most states will and require you to get drivers license, license plates , tax all your income for the year, acquire auto insurance ,that covers their state laws.
It aint pretty if you get caught working in a state and you are declared a resident due to their laws and you have not met THEIR requirements.
Viajo...
The best thing for anyone to do is check with both the Ca. DMV and CHP for "accurate info" on this because as I stated there are variables involved. I can state fact regarding the Volunteer positions however one must research the part where wages are concerned, again there are variables involved as I mentioned earlier.
I was curious since the thread was about Texas what the situation is there regarding those working in Volunteer position's? I have been told it's about the same, but am not sure.
WTTCS wrote: If you get a job, earning wages , most states will and require you to get drivers license, license plates , tax all your income for the year, acquire auto insurance ,that covers their state laws.
It aint pretty if you get caught working in a state and you are declared a resident due to their laws and you have not met THEIR requirements.
I am not arguing your info, just really confused...so what happens then when Wisconsin decides that I am a resident here as I have property and am registered to vote etc...do the states then have to fight it out or do I have to pay twice?
I will give you an example of real life in the workamping world. In 2002, our best friends that we travel with, took a job in Ga. They worked there 3 months. While there, they drew 10,000 down from their 401K for spending money and etc. Then we went to Fla. When they paid their state taxes to Ga, they listed their income from Ga. The state sent a letter demanding that the 10K be included in their earnings because they DREW it in Ga. The money was earned many years earlier, was in a 401K in Ma, and had nothing to do with Ga. But the judge, yea it went to court, declared that ANY income of any type, RECEIVED in Ga is taxable.
In your example above, you must prove that you are a resident of Wisc, then you best hope some other state doesnt have a law would overwrite Wi declaring you a resident. And if you pay state income tax in one state, you do not have to pay the same tax in any other state. So, in essence, you could have taxes paid to as many different states as required, but no taxes paid twice.
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