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KCollucci

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I'm new to the world of pop-up trailers and I have a few questions as to how I figure if my vehicle can tow what I plan to purchase.

My vehicle:

1998 Jeep Cherokee Ltd.

Engine Type OHV 2-valve 4.0 Liter I6 w/SMFI*
Engine Size 242 cid/3958 cc
Horsepower 190 @ 4600 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 225 @ 3000 RPM
Wheelbase/Width/Length 101.4"/69.4"/167.5"
Transmission Four-speed automatic
Curb Weight 3379 pounds
Fuel Capacity 20 gallons
Tires (F/R) P225/75R15
Brakes (F/R) Disc /drum
Drive Train Front-engine/four-wheel-drive
Vehicle Type Five-passenger/four-door
Domestic Content 74 percent
Coefficient of Drag (Cd.) 0.51

PERFORMANCE

EPA Economy, miles per gallon
city/highway/average 17/21/18
0-60 MPH 11 seconds
Payload 1150 pounds
Towing Capacity 5000 pounds

I have a 1 1/4 inch hitch with a 3500LB tow weight and a 300LB tongue weight. I have added a leaf spring in the rear which adds about 2 inches of lift.

The trailer:

2000 Coachmen Clipper

Coachmen Clipper Classic
Model: #1290 ST
Length: 16’2" (in transit); 23’10" (deployed)
Interior height: 6’6"(deployed)
Exterior height: 4’2" (in transit)
Exterior width: 85"
Gross vehicle weight rating: 2,995 lbs.
Hitch weight: 220 lbs.
Axle(s) weight: 2,330 lbs.
Unloaded vehicle weight: 2,550 lbs.
Storage tanks (gallons):
Fresh water: 16
LP gas (lbs.): 20
Water heater: 6

Any help in determining if I can tow this trailer with the Jeep would be appreciated.


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Posted: 07/07/09 07:13am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sounds ok. My question would be the loaded tongue weight. Your hitch may not be adequate either - you may need to swap it out.

KCollucci

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Do you mean the the unit attached to the frame of the vehicle or the removable 1 1/4 inch shaft?

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I dont think the TV itself will have any problems. As far as the hitch goes, you are describing a Class II hitch. Check out the Reese hitch website. They have a chart to help you determine what you need.

The tongue weight on a TT should be 10-15% of the trailer's total weight. If you loaded up to the max trailer GVWR of 2995 pounds, you could theoretically have a hitch weight of 15% of that or 450 pounds. To be conservative, you might want to increase to a Class III hitch (500 lb max), but with careful loading, you'll probably be able to stay around 300 pounds. For example, if your fresh water tank is in front of the axles, you can tow with it empty. If it is behind the axles, you can tow full. Some people load up then check their tongue weight using regular bathroom scales. This could help you decide whether a new hich will be needed.


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I miss my Cherokee, but I do have a Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 liter motor. I really wish that Jeep had not stopped producing that motor. The 4.0 is one of the toughest and best towing engines around. You will be fine weight wise towing that size pop up, but I would get rid of 1 1/4 hitch and reciever and upgrade to a 2 inch hitch and reciever. Once you get the trailer packed with all the goodies for the weekend trip you will be real close to the 3500 pound capacity of your current hitch. Good luck! Brian


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KCollucci

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Thanks for the input. I'm going to contact Jeep and find out exactly what my vehicle is capable of towing. I think I'm going to be purchasing this PUP. I plan on buying a new Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon in the next year or so which should be more than enough to tow it.

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Definitely need the 2" hitch, the 1 and 1/4 is not good enough.

That PUP is pretty heavy for the Jeep. You would probably be ok but it's a bit close for my comfort to be honest. Also be sure you have electric breaks on the PUP because at that weight you need it.

What stats you need on the Jeep are the specific ratings like GCWR and such to really figure out for sure you're ok.

* This post was edited 07/07/09 11:17am by bonscott *


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My experience has been, with tow vehicles, is the closer you get to the upper rated limit, the inverse satisfaction and comfort level you will have while towing. Having a TV that just meets or barely exceeds the needs of the trailer is a recipe for disappointment and potentially worse than that. Buy the trailer, but certainly pay close attention when are buying the next TV.


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A couple of things to keep in mind. when replacing the 1-1/4 ball wtha a 2" ball check the shank size. Most standard 1-1/4 drawbars use an 3/4" hole to mount the drawbar. They do make 2" balls with 3/4" shanks, but 1" is standard.
Second is the dry weight to gross vehicle weight limit. It shows only around 400 pounds. Between propane, awning, spare tire, battery and A/C you can easily use it up. We ALWAYS advice getting a true scale weight at the dealer to find out the trailers actual weight.
I say this because we have had many folks start out overloaded without even their stuff in the camper and experienced many flats and blow outs.


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KCollucci wrote:

I plan on buying a new Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon in the next year or so which should be more than enough to tow it.
I'd be cautious here. The Jeep Wrangler isn't equipped to handle the same weight trailer as your Grand Cherokee. The Wrangler only supports a Class 2 hitch. I'd get an actual tongue weight to see where you really are. My guess is the trailer will be too much weight (when loaded) for a Wrangler. And as Mike4947 pointed out, the trailer has very little carrying capacity (we have ~700# and have to be very careful about what we load so as to not overload the trailer). Fill that 16 gallon water tank and your water heater, and there goes ~180# of carrying capacity right there.

Again, weigh the trailer as it is now, both for axle weight and tongue weight.


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