Well, let me preface this remark by saying I'm a retired police dispatcher and big on compliance with the law
Then I will quote from the Michigan Vehicle Code.. This will be a cut and paste:
257.657 Rights and duties of persons riding bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, or moped or operating low-speed vehicle.
Sec. 657.
Each person riding a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, or moped or operating a low-speed vehicle upon a roadway has all of the rights and is subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this chapter, except as to special regulations in this article and except as to the provisions of this chapter which by their nature do not have application.
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This says that, Yes, if a car, truck or motorcycle is required to stop.
Then BY LAW, a bicyclist must also stop.
That said.. Most police officers do not know this paragraph.
Nothin adds excitment like something that is none of your business
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E.Texan wrote: So hard core cyclists are above the law? I don't think so.
I agree. We own a custom tandem, two recumbents, various mountain bikes, road bikes, fat tire bikes, DW still has the 3 speed Huffy she got for her 12th B'day.
We've done rallys, bike tours, long trips that left her in tears at the end of the day (butt she still kept on riding ). I'm an Adventure Cycling member and we plan on touring in Europe and the USA in retirement.
WE follow the rules of the road. I have no sympathy for those who don't because they don't want to lose their momentum.
MrTravelDecal wrote: CYCLISTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RUN STOP SIGNS!
Humans who choose to use a CAGE as a form of transportation should not be allowed to drive out of their own driveway without doing so ON THEIR BICYCLE!
A little hard for me to do my job on a bicycle (a courier in a city of 1 million people). Kinda tough to carry a 1000# on a bike. I require a "CAGE".
I have no problem with anyone being allowed to run stop signs. As long as I am allowed to run them over. Fair deal?
If you or any other cyclist thinks they can make it safely and I happen to run them over, they will be the ones charged ok? ok...
HUMAN POWERED forms of transportation SHOULD ALWAYS have the right of way VS FOSSIL FUEL powered transportation in a perfect world. Similar to human/wind power vs motorized craft on the waterways.
We are around the campfire right? I'm just adding another log?
I am PROcyclist and I RV
Accountability is a foreign concept to many people these days.
MrTravelDecal wrote: CYCLISTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RUN STOP SIGNS!
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I have no problem with anyone being allowed to run stop signs. As long as I am allowed to run them over. Fair deal?
and THEY pay the damage of my paint!
MrTravelDecal wrote: HUMAN POWERED forms of transportation SHOULD ALWAYS have the right of way VS FOSSIL FUEL powered transportation in a perfect world. Similar to human/wind power vs motorized craft on the waterways.
I am PROcyclist and I RV
MEE TOO!!, I vote for that!
I I HAVE A DATE WITH ETERNITY, AND I DON´T WANT TO BE LATE!
Well, on the high seas a row boat has the right away over the Queen Mary II
But if you are the guy in the row boat, are you going to chance it?
(A power boat must yeild to a sail boat must yeild to a row boat)
On the road.. However, though laws vary from state to state. IN Michigan a Bicycle is a vehicle, be it human powered or powered by a Chevy 8.1 (Yes, someone put an 8.1L big block V-8 on a motorcycle, another thread here in the forums about it, Gear heads do strange thigns sometimes) it is a VEHICLE and must obey all VEHICLE laws, unless specifically exempted
There are a few execmptions for bicycles,, (IE: I can ride on the sidewalk, I can't drive there, but I can pedal my anatomy all over the sidewalk) at low speed.. There is also a way I can make an otherwise illegal Left Turn (Applies to motor cycles too I might add)
But stop signs are NOT one of the exemptions
Nor is yeilding right of way,, Same for me on my peal bike as me in my motor home.
MrTravelDecal wrote: HUMAN POWERED forms of transportation SHOULD ALWAYS have the right of way VS FOSSIL FUEL powered transportation in a perfect world. Similar to human/wind power vs motorized craft on the waterways.
We are around the campfire right? I'm just adding another log?
I am PROcyclist and I RV
I just wonder how the steel that your bike is built of was shipped and delivered? by sail and bicycle? peddle boat perhaps?
The right of way is a nice idea but I'm pretty sure my plastic bumper on my sunfire is stronger than your leg.
No one has argued right of way. They have just argued laws. Bikes want to be treated the same as fossil fueled vehicles and should have to abey the same laws... to argue otherwise is stupid.
MrTravelDecal wrote: HUMAN POWERED forms of transportation SHOULD ALWAYS have the right of way VS FOSSIL FUEL powered transportation in a perfect world. Similar to human/wind power vs motorized craft on the waterways.
When I took my Sailing course, the instructor mentioned this "Right of Way". But he also pointed out there's another Law: "Right of Weight". In other words, if you are a small nimble craft - you'd still better yield to the freighter, whether you have the Right of Way or not.
In the case of bicycle vs car - the car is going to "win" every single time.
Code2High wrote: Charles Manson considers himself a prophet, but that has no effect on what he actually IS. The law defines bicyclists as drivers of vehicles, and for good reason. Average speed for a pedestrian is 3 miles an hour, an elite runner might make it to fifteen or a little over that sprinting, though you'd rarely see that out on the road. Bicylclists can easily travel in the 20s and 30s, and will normally be over ten.
Bicycles also are made of metal, and have the capacity to cause a lot more harm when they hit a pedestrian than another pedestrian would. They have braking, steering, and gear systems that can fail or be mis-handled and result in a loss of control in a way that simply does not happen with pedestrians.
Of course if a cyclist feels that traffic conditions make it safer to be a pedestrian, they always have that option... as soon as they hop off that bike and walk it.
I have to say this is probably the best stated case as to why a bike should not be allowed to ride through a stop sign. Very well thought out.
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