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Pauljdav

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SoCalDesertRider wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

flamer4dodge wrote:

My Cummins does not need this inferior technology. Once again the mighty Cummins shows it's dominance.


Is this because Cummins has "EPA credits" they can use so they were able to push out until 2012 to be compliant?

No, it's because their engine meets the tailpipe emmission standard without the extra equipment. Simply put, their engine burns cleaner.

Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.

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Pauljdav wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

flamer4dodge wrote:

My Cummins does not need this inferior technology. Once again the mighty Cummins shows it's dominance.


Is this because Cummins has "EPA credits" they can use so they were able to push out until 2012 to be compliant?

No, it's because their engine meets the tailpipe emmission standard without the extra equipment. Simply put, their engine burns cleaner.

Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.


Just another reason to buy the mighty Cummins.

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Snowho2 wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

flamer4dodge wrote:

My Cummins does not need this inferior technology. Once again the mighty Cummins shows it's dominance.


Is this because Cummins has "EPA credits" they can use so they were able to push out until 2012 to be compliant?

No, it's because their engine meets the tailpipe emmission standard without the extra equipment. Simply put, their engine burns cleaner.

Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.


Just another reason to buy the mighty Cummins.


guess you didn't read it.

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Pauljdav wrote:


Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.



This news is over a year and half old. There's newer news here...

http://www.dieselnet.com/news/2008/08cummins.php

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Pauljdav wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

flamer4dodge wrote:

My Cummins does not need this inferior technology. Once again the mighty Cummins shows it's dominance.


Is this because Cummins has "EPA credits" they can use so they were able to push out until 2012 to be compliant?

No, it's because their engine meets the tailpipe emmission standard without the extra equipment. Simply put, their engine burns cleaner.

Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.


After completely missing the point of this post before, I will point out the last sentence in the paragraph above shows why the 2007 and above Dodge CTD is 2010 compliant. No other reason to produce an emissions level before it's due than to gather credits for other products. The engine refered to above is the 15l ISX.

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Rob_NC wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

Pauljdav wrote:

flamer4dodge wrote:

My Cummins does not need this inferior technology. Once again the mighty Cummins shows it's dominance.


Is this because Cummins has "EPA credits" they can use so they were able to push out until 2012 to be compliant?

No, it's because their engine meets the tailpipe emmission standard without the extra equipment. Simply put, their engine burns cleaner.

Hmmm, Maybe you should read this,


Recently Cummins announced that their 2010 Heavy Duty engines would NOT use SCR to meet NOx emissions. Cummins stated that 2010 heavy-duty engines will use no NOx aftertreatment, relying on technologies such as 'the XPI High Pressure Common Rail (HPCR) fuel system, next-generation cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), advanced electronic controls, proven air handling and the Cummins Particulate Filter'. Missing from this announcement was the significant fact that Cummins must use banked NOx credits from current production engines to offset NOx emissions from the 2010 engines that will in fact exceed 0.2 g/bhp-hr.


After completely missing the point of this post before, I will point out the last sentence in the paragraph above shows why the 2007 and above Dodge CTD is 2010 compliant. No other reason to produce an emissions level before it's due than to gather credits for other products. The engine refered to above is the 15l ISX.



"The new 2010 Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 Heavy Duty pickups don't use DEF to scrub NOx because they carry over the existing NOx "adsorber" catalyst that's paired with the 6.7-liter Cummins I6. However, 2010 Dodge Ram 3500, 4500 and 5500 Cab Chassis trucks will use DEF.

DEF will also be available in multiple bottle and canister sizes, so it cab be stored in the vehicle or in a garage. It has a one to two year shelf life, depending on temperature."

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From the article, "They are more efficient than petrol engines, which means they emit less carbon dioxide, but they also pollute more".

I do agree with this to some extent but if a diesel engine is using less fuel, that means that less crude is pumped from the ground, shipped to a refinery, processed into fuel, shipped to a terminal and finally shipped to a gas station. If you add up all the savings from not having to ship the saved fuel to begin with, would you not come out better?

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RollingRockTX wrote:


DEF will also be available in multiple bottle and canister sizes, so it cab be stored in the vehicle or in a garage. It has a one to two year shelf life, depending on temperature."


I've been buying it in 2.5 gallon jugs, 55 gal. barrels, and 275 gal. totes. It does come in 1 gal. sizes also. It will always be cheaper in bulk by nearly 1/6. The TA's I've called are selling 2.5 gal. containers for nearly $15 while their at-pump prices are $2.65/gal.

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