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Why a V8 anyway? Why does it always have to be a V8?

Because designers don't want the front end of a small truck a mile up in the air. With a V you can get the hood line way down. You can't do that with an I engine.


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

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Why a V8 anyway? Why does it always have to be a V8?

Because designers don't want the front end of a small truck a mile up in the air. With a V you can get the hood line way down. You can't do that with an I engine.
Doesn't the Ram 1500, 2500, and 3500 have the same front end?

No. The hood is higher, and the grill is taller/larger on the 2500 and 3500.


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Posted: 11/05/09 12:37pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ib516 wrote:

Burp wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

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Why a V8 anyway? Why does it always have to be a V8?

Because designers don't want the front end of a small truck a mile up in the air. With a V you can get the hood line way down. You can't do that with an I engine.
Doesn't the Ram 1500, 2500, and 3500 have the same front end?

No. The hood is higher, and the grill is taller/larger on the 2500 and 3500.


Same sheet metal is used on 1500,2500,3500,4500 and 5500. Same goes for the grill and bumpers. The only difference in the 2500/3500 to the 1500 is the frame and suspension the same with the 4500/5500 to the 2500/3500.


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The engine was costing money to develop. Then the economy went in the dumper, people quit buying cars altogether, and Chrysler went broke. With no market for this engine, Cummins pulled the plug.

Wonder which FIAT/IVECO engine they are looking at for the Half ton?

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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

ib516 wrote:

Burp wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

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Why a V8 anyway? Why does it always have to be a V8?

Because designers don't want the front end of a small truck a mile up in the air. With a V you can get the hood line way down. You can't do that with an I engine.
Doesn't the Ram 1500, 2500, and 3500 have the same front end?

No. The hood is higher, and the grill is taller/larger on the 2500 and 3500.


Same sheet metal is used on 1500,2500,3500,4500 and 5500. Same goes for the grill and bumpers. The only difference in the 2500/3500 to the 1500 is the frame and suspension the same with the 4500/5500 to the 2500/3500.

"Though they share the aerodynamic styling first seen in the 2009 Ram 1500, the heavy-duty trucks have taller, more-prominent front ends. It’s a case of form following their primary function of towing big loads.

“The light-duty and heavy-duty Rams are significantly separated visually for performance and aesthetic reasons, and for better cooling,” said Ralph Gilles, Chrysler’s vice president of design. “The cooling we’ve gained for the heavy-duty we didn’t have to do for the light-duty, which is why the grille is smaller on the light duty.”

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"The grille, hood, and bumpers are unique to the heavy duty line, but reflect the 2009 light duty Ram with a chromed lean-forward grille; the hood is taller hood for more cooling capacity."
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OK yes the 2009 1500 is differnt from the 2010 2500/3500, thought he was talking about 3rd gen trucks, 2002-2008 1500 and 2003-2009 2500/3500.

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I3? Balance issues?

Perkins built some sweet I-3's that have been used in tractors and other equipment since the 40's. The one in our MF tractor is a mid 60's, had to have the pump rebuilt this year.


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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

OK yes the 2009 1500 is differnt from the 2010 2500/3500, thought he was talking about 3rd gen trucks, 2002-2008 1500 and 2003-2009 2500/3500.

Don

That makes sense Don, those mentioned were all the same as you stated. I thought we were talking about the new ones.

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jaycocamprs wrote:

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I3? Balance issues?

Perkins built some sweet I-3's that have been used in tractors and other equipment since the 40's. The one in our MF tractor is a mid 60's, had to have the pump rebuilt this year.


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Kawasaki, Kubota and a few other have 3 cylinder Diesels. It can be done.

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