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Duganoz wrote:

Well I didn't (but should have) expected the reaction to my post. Yup! new to the RV world but not to electricity. I completely agree with all the rational expressed here but my point is simply that they are not equal. That is all I was meaning to state. I'm not going to read all the previous posts either (I tried) and felt this was worthy of pointing out since it appeared to be a popular topic. No offense was intended.

Stupid new guy.

If you had read through the thread you wouldn't have found many (if any) posts where we thought the Champion was equal to the Honda.
The Champion is a 1600 watt generator (despite the name), the Honda is a 2000. We know that and accept 400 watt loss at a $500 discount.


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The Honda EU2000i is actually a 1600W generator.

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If you had read through the thread you wouldn't have found many (if any) posts where we thought the Champion was equal to the Honda.
The Champion is a 1600 watt generator (despite the name), the Honda is a 2000. We know that and accept 400 watt loss at a $500 discount.


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Cedarhill wrote:

The Honda EU2000i is actually a 1600W generator.

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If you had read through the thread you wouldn't have found many (if any) posts where we thought the Champion was equal to the Honda.
The Champion is a 1600 watt generator (despite the name), the Honda is a 2000. We know that and accept 400 watt loss at a $500 discount.


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Angus_NB wrote:

Duganoz wrote:

Well I didn't (but should have) expected the reaction to my post. Yup! new to the RV world but not to electricity. I completely agree with all the rational expressed here but my point is simply that they are not equal. That is all I was meaning to state. I'm not going to read all the previous posts either (I tried) and felt this was worthy of pointing out since it appeared to be a popular topic. No offense was intended.

Stupid new guy.

If you had read through the thread you wouldn't have found many (if any) posts where we thought the Champion was equal to the Honda.
The Champion is a 1600 watt generator (despite the name), the Honda is a 2000. We know that and accept 400 watt loss at a $500 discount.


I disagree with your statements and find them highly misleading.

The Champion 2000 is a 1700 watts continuous genny. I ran it for hours pulling 1700 watts and the overload light never came on. But as soon as I reached about 1730W, the overload light came on.

In terms of power, the difference between the Honda and the Champion is that the Honda is capable of giving between 1700-2000W for a short period of time (minutes) without apparently any problem. While the Champion lasts no more than 10 seconds at 1900W.

But it should be noted that as per the Honda eu2000 owner's manual:

Substantial overloading will switch off the AC circuit protector.
Exceeding the time limit for maximum power operation or slightly overloading the generator may not switch the AC circuit protector OFF, but will shorten the service life of the generator.

Limit operation requiring maximum power to 30 minutes.
Maximum power is: 2,000 VA

For continuous operation, do not exceed the rated power.
Rated power is: 1,600 VA



So it seems that for those who need between 1700w and 2000w for short periods of time, the Honda is a better fit than the Champion. But for all those who can live with 1700w on a continuous basis, the Champion might be a better choice.

Other factors that need to be taken into account are as follow: In America you can get two Champion for the price of a single Honda. In Canada you can get three Champion for the price of a single Honda. The Honda is smaller than the Champion and quieter when pushed to its limit. But at idle (low rpm) speed, the two gennys compare very favorably in terms of noise.

Although the Honda is smaller, it might not be enough of a factor to go with one instead of the other. The Champion offers a very interesting design with the ability to stack them one on top of the other when used in parallel.

The Honda sold in Canada does not allow parallel operation. Apparently due to the fact that the kit connecting the units has never been CSA approved.

P.S. I know I am talking about watts instead of VA, but generators are mostly advertised in terms of watts. Though I agree it makes more sense to talk in terms of VA.

P.P.S. For durability, I do not think it is desirable to run either one past 1600VA. Exceeding this limit will most likely shorten the life of the unit.

* This post was edited 02/26/12 09:36am by Bernadette Shoe *

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The Honda sold in Canada does not allow parallel operation. Apparently due to the fact that the kit connecting the units has never been CSA approved.

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This I was not aware of. Looking at Costco Cda's site they advertise that it is parallel capable although they no longer have a link to the parallel kit. Last time I was at the store in Etobicoke they had the cable kit in stock?


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FWIW, The Champions sold in Canada DO have parallel connections, and the parallel kit is freely available. I have it, it works great.


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Bernadette Shoe wrote:



The Honda sold in Canada does not allow parallel operation. Apparently due to the fact that the kit connecting the units has never been CSA approved.

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This I was not aware of. Looking at Costco Cda's site they advertise that it is parallel capable although they no longer have a link to the parallel kit. Last time I was at the store in Etobicoke they had the cable kit in stock?


The Champion sold in Canada and America does allow parallel connection. I also have the kit and it is rated at 25 amps or 3000 watts. Somehow, Costco feels that Canadians do not deserve to pay $60 for the parallel kit like in America, but should pay $95 (58% more) than Americans. I guess that's because we are not good enough...

Btw, if I would have decided on buying two Honda eu2000, I would have driven to Syracuse, NY and bought them from a store for $1,000 each. I naturally would have also bought the connecting cable. The only drawback of doing so is that when/if you need service during the warranty period, you need to drive south of the border to have it serviced. Naturally, you will pay $1,000/each + 6% NY sales tax + 13% HST when crossing back at the border. Still cheaper than $1,400 + 13%. Though I wouldn't have done it for the money, but because I really wanted parallel connection.

Got to Costco.ca, do a search on 'generator', then click on the Champion 2000, and the click on 'add to cart' on the second item, 'parallel-cable kit' at $94.99.

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FWIW, The Champions sold in Canada DO have parallel connections, and the parallel kit is freely available. I have it, it works great.


Ok , good!

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...Champions sold in Canada DO have parallel connections, and the parallel kit is freely available...


That is great, here in the states I had to pay for mine.


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PrivatePilot wrote:


...Champions sold in Canada DO have parallel connections, and the parallel kit is freely available...


That is great, here in the states I had to pay for mine.


That's because we are a FREE country where everything costs more than America

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