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Topic: 2002 Fleetwood Expedition-Need Info/Help

Posted By: RLogghe on 07/21/10 12:23pm

I have aquired the "taking care of" of a 2002 Fleetwood Expedition DP from my mother and have some general questions. My father passed away about a year ago and had purchased the MH just prior to his passing. My mom wanted to keep it for herself and the family to use and put me in charge of maintanance and general upkeep.

My first question is the general operation of the information center. I could not find any manual specific enough to cover what switches operate which controls for batteries/inverter etc.. The Switches are as follows: Main Battery, Aux. Battery, Water Pump, Radio, Inverter. So which battery switch operates the chassis battery the Main or the Aux.? Also when would you turn the Inverter switch to the on position, and vise versa for the off position?

Question #2: When I connect to shore power what is the order of operation to get everything up and functional while staying at a campground? Is the shore power also then charging house batteries or chassis batteries, or both? Also are there any switches that need to be operated inside the MH after connecting to SP?

And finally the chassis batteries do not seem to be holding a charge. When starting the motor I have to use the house battery assist button. Are the chassis batteries getting charged by the Xantex Freedom Combi charger/inverter, or just the house batteries? I am probably going to replace the chassis batteries anyway because they do not hold a charge. The other issue is currently even when connected to a 50 amp shore service the in house breaker trips periodically. Is this just a by product of a bad cell in a chassis battery or is there another underlying issue I am missing?

I know this is alot to answer and would really apreciate any feedback from someone who has knowledge of this specific MH. If anyone would like to converse over the phone about any of these questions I would welcome that.

Thanks,Rob


2002 Fleetwood Expedition 300 Cummins HO


Posted By: hershey on 07/21/10 02:50pm

I have an 01 Expedition so its similar.
The Xantrex charges both the engine batteries and the house batteries. I have never turned our inverter off, it stays on all the time (we fulltime). While using the RV, I'd just leave the inverter on regardless of being plugged into shorepower or not.
The shorepower breaker tripping isn't a result of a bad cell, you need to look elsewhere. I'd turn off all the breakers in the RV, plug into your shorepower and then turn the RV breakers back on, one at time and see which circuit is the culprit.


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Posted By: bsinmich on 07/21/10 03:13pm

When you are talking about the house circut breaker are you talking the MH as the house or the stick & brick house that has an outlet. Actually a 50 amp service on a MH is 2 50 amp circuits for a total of 100 amps. If you would try to plug into a 50 amp house circuit you could easily trip a breaker. If you can get the whole rig out for a weekend camping trip look around for someone else with a coach like yours and ask for some help. It wouldn't even have to be exactly like yours, just not a tenter.


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Posted By: Troubleshooter on 07/21/10 03:57pm

RLogghe wrote:

I have aquired the "taking care of" of a 2002 Fleetwood Expedition DP from my mother and have some general questions. My father passed away about a year ago and had purchased the MH just prior to his passing. My mom wanted to keep it for herself and the family to use and put me in charge of maintanance and general upkeep.

My first question is the general operation of the information center. I could not find any manual specific enough to cover what switches operate which controls for batteries/inverter etc.. The Switches are as follows: Main Battery, Aux. Battery, Water Pump, Radio, Inverter. So which battery switch operates the chassis battery the Main or the Aux.? Also when would you turn the Inverter switch to the on position, and vise versa for the off position?

Main Battery: This switch turns off the chassis (engine) batteries for storage. However, there are several dash functions that are not affected by this switch.
AUX Battery: This switch turns off the house batteries for storage. Both these switches activate relays in the BCC (Battery Control Center) in order to connect/disconnect the batteries.
Water Pump: This switch is just that, it turns On or Off the water pump. You will probably have other water pump switches in the area of the kitchen sink, bathroom, and service compartment that serve the same function.
Radio: This switch allows you to power up the dash radio from either the engine batteries while underway, or from the house batteries when parked, so you don't have to turn the ignition key to the ACC position.
Inverter: This switch is a remote switch for the operation of the inverter. There is also a INVERT switch on the front of the Intellitec 458 Inverter/Converter, which overrides this 'inside the coach' switch. I recommend you turn off the switch on the front of the inverter, and when you want to use inverter power, use the 'inside the coach' switch. My reasoning being, the inverter draws a small amount of power all the time when turned on, rather you are using it or not. Turning off the Main and AUX switches will have no effect on this drain, so over time when the rig is in not in use, the house batteries can be drained. (Don't ask how I know)


Question #2: When I connect to shore power what is the order of operation to get everything up and functional while staying at a campground? Is the shore power also then charging house batteries or chassis batteries, or both? Also are there any switches that need to be operated inside the MH after connecting to SP?

When connected to a 50A source, or when running the Generator, there should be no switches needing to be set. Your Intellitec 900 display should show you what appliances are powered, after it goes through it's set-up checks. However, if you are connected to a 20A circuit, you should select the lower capability on the Intellitec 900 panel. When connected to a 30A circuit, you will notice the EMS (Energy Management Center) controlling the load, and if you exceed the 30A limit, it will Shed (turn off) certain appliances, ie water heater, and refrigerator, since they can be run off Propane, Air Conditioners, and Washer-Dryer if installed.

And finally the chassis batteries do not seem to be holding a charge. When starting the motor I have to use the house battery assist button. Are the chassis batteries getting charged by the Xantex Freedom Combi charger/inverter, or just the house batteries? I am probably going to replace the chassis batteries anyway because they do not hold a charge. The other issue is currently even when connected to a 50 amp shore service the in house breaker trips periodically. Is this just a by product of a bad cell in a chassis battery or is there another underlying issue I am missing?

The Freedom 458 is a inverter that supplies 120V for certain portions of your RV when in operation, and a converter that supplies 12V for battery charging as well as interior lighting, and appliance requirements. The BCC (Battery Control Center) controls the charging of both the house and engine batteries, using either the voltage from the engine alternator, or from the Freedom 458. The BCC samples the voltage from either the engine battery (alternator), or house batteries (Freedom 458), and when one of them reaches 13.2V, a solenoid closes which then applies charge voltage to the other set of batteries.
In regards to your engine batteries not holding a charge. If you have the original 2001-2001 batteries in the RV, more than likely you are to the point of needing to replace them. The tripping of the 'in hpuse' breaker could be a case of one or more shorted cells in the four 6V house batteries which could overload the charger. I had one battery with a shorted cell that caused all kinds of strange situations.


I know this is alot to answer and would really apreciate any feedback from someone who has knowledge of this specific MH. If anyone would like to converse over the phone about any of these questions I would welcome that.

While the information I have given you is for our Discovery, I think your Expedition is a very close relative, and more than likely set up the same way.

Thanks,Rob



Bill
2002 Discovery 3126E CAT
2004 Saturn VUE
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Posted By: RLogghe on 07/21/10 04:09pm

Thanks for the quick responses. When I'm talking plugged into a 50 amp I am talking a campsite receptacle that is listed as a 50 amp site. 2 weekends ago I had it backed into my backyard and plugged into my garage circut with no issues at all (even running both AC units at the same time). After the weekend I drove it back to my moms house, plugged it in and left. The next morning I checked the system and the breaker in my moms garage had tripped. Reset the breaker and checked the Xantrex and the "overload/overheat" red light stayed on. After reading the manual I had to do a manual reset, which to me meant disconnecting the battery. After reconecting the Xantrex it seemed fine. Checked it 1 hour later and the main breaker (located in the electrical compartment) on the MH had tripped. Reset everything and the same thing happened an hour later. Will check the breakers in the MH and see if I can figure anything out..

* This post was edited 07/21/10 06:31pm by RLogghe *


Posted By: RLogghe on 07/21/10 09:07pm




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