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Posted By: JFJ on 07/27/10 07:45am

Last week I posted "Fuel Station Replacement" and thanks to you all, it has now turned into "Fuel Station Repair/Rebuild". First of all, I had my 2005 Raptor 3612 DS at my mechanic to get my generator running. He said that the methanol content in the gas does some bad things to carburetors unless you use the marine grade (green) Sta-bil. He also thinks it is responsible for the gear swelling in my fuel station that prevented the pump from working, as well as ruining a seal.

Now to the fuel station issue...originally he took it apart and said the motor was working fine, but the the pump would not work b/c the gears had swollen. He said it needed a new pump to the tune of a/b $300...ouch!! That's when I made my original post. Thanks to Wild Bill, I was able to contact Graco. Their customer service number is 800-533-9655, option 5. The pump was originally made by PBL who has been taken over by Graco. My pump model was an FP12. Turns out that I needed the gear kit (Part number 260277) and a seal that goes around the motor shaft that drives the pump. The seal only comes in a kit, so I also had to get part number 260434. If your seal is not bad, then you may not require both kits. Here is the good part...the gear kit only costs $14 and the seal kit only costs $9. Trust me, I am not mechanically inclined, but I could repair this myself. You take 4 bolts off of the pump cover and pull out the two gears, replace a gear key or drive (pull out the old key and insert the new one from the kit), put the new seal (again, from the kit) on the pump cover and then put the 4 bolts back on again. Voila!!! A $300 pump replacement just turned into a $25 repair!!

One thing you need to know...Graco only sells through local distributors so you can't buy directly from them. They will tell you who carries their parts in your area. I live in Memphis and there were only 3 distributors, none of whom carried the parts. It takes a/b a week to get them.

Thanks to Wild Bill and the rest of you who gave me the information to go out and research this for myself. Not only did I save a lot of money on the repair, but I now know how to do it myself. Thanks to you all for your help. I hope this helps someone else who is having the same issue with their fuel station.


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Posted By: rocmoc on 07/27/10 08:25am

Excellent info / post & Thanks. Also Thanks to Wild Bill. I have made a copy and filed in my Raptor folder for future use. Thank you again!

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Posted By: SAR Tracker on 07/27/10 09:18am

Another thing that can be done (in a pinch) is to remove the gears, and sand them down just a little (less than 1/32"). The swelling occurs across the width of the gear, not the circumference. Just take a piece of sandpaper, lay it on a flat surface, and rub the gear on the sandpaper in a figure-8 pattern (evens out the sanding marks, if any). Then re-install the old gears.


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Posted By: jeffws on 07/27/10 10:13am

Thanks for the info. My pump just started leaking......


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Posted By: barry&vanda on 07/28/10 12:30pm

Good for you, JFJ! My fuel pump by GPI died 1 WEEK after the warrantee was up. It was actually the motor itself. Fortunately I have a local electric motor rebuilder to rely on.


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Posted By: River&Sand on 07/28/10 09:18pm

Welcome to the dead fuel pump club! Most of us have experienced it at some point, usually at the most inopertune time. Mine came in the dez with 25 gallons of race gas in the tank and no way to get it out. Now I keep a spare set of gears both new and an old sanded set. Another failure point is the plastic key that holds the plastic drive gear on the shaft. Had that break too on a friends pump.


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Posted By: nayther on 08/24/10 04:08pm

River&Sand wrote:

Welcome to the dead fuel pump club! Most of us have experienced it at some point, usually at the most inopertune time. Mine came in the dez with 25 gallons of race gas in the tank and no way to get it out. Now I keep a spare set of gears both new and an old sanded set. Another failure point is the plastic key that holds the plastic drive gear on the shaft. Had that break too on a friends pump.


That's always scared me too so I carry one of those siphon deals, "just in case".


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Posted By: cobyco on 08/24/10 05:17pm

I replaced my gears and it worked great for 3 yrs, then it started blowing the fuse again, Replaced gears again and it still blew the fuse, I figured out it was a bad motor So I just received a nice new Graco Blue devil pump today from unionhydro.com 265.00 it also includes a new pump nozzle and a longer hose, I hope it works!


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Posted By: McKenziek on 08/24/10 05:31pm

ethand wrote:

My FP12 failed recently and found this thread while doing a search. I have had little luck finding the parts locally as well. Can someone post the contact info of where you found the parts so I can do the same.

Thanks
E


Ditto for the GPI EZ8-RV pump. I sanded the gears but want to keep a spare set on hand.

Their website lists the overhaul kit as part # 13750005 http://catalog.gpi.net/item/fluid-transf......../pn-9542?&plpver=1001&bc=1097|1308|1234y but with no means to buy it. Great customer service GPI.


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Posted By: alarmin on 08/24/10 05:54pm

SAR Tracker wrote:

Another thing that can be done (in a pinch) is to remove the gears, and sand them down just a little (less than 1/32"). The swelling occurs across the width of the gear, not the circumference. Just take a piece of sandpaper, lay it on a flat surface, and rub the gear on the sandpaper in a figure-8 pattern (evens out the sanding marks, if any). Then re-install the old gears.

I have the EZ8-RV pump and the gears were swelling across their width as stated. I was replacing my pump and hooked the old pump (removed and on my work bench) to a 12vdc source and nothing (just sparks). Then I removed the cover over the gears and it worked great and I could see the scoring inside the cover. Sanding the gears or possibly even adding a thin gasket to the gear cover could make all the difference needed.


Posted By: mapguy on 08/25/10 09:31am

McKenziek wrote:

ethand wrote:

My FP12 failed recently and found this thread while doing a search. I have had little luck finding the parts locally as well. Can someone post the contact info of where you found the parts so I can do the same.

Thanks
E


Ditto for the GPI EZ8-RV pump. I sanded the gears but want to keep a spare set on hand.

Their website lists the overhaul kit as part # 13750005 http://catalog.gpi.net/item/fluid-transf......../pn-9542?&plpver=1001&bc=1097|1308|1234y but with no means to buy it. Great customer service GPI.


Did you call GPI @ 1-800-835-0113


Posted By: FRANK M on 08/27/10 04:20pm

This has happen two times in five years for me. I just sand the ends and it works fine after that!


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Posted By: dadwolf2 on 08/27/10 06:21pm

FRANK M wrote:

This has happen two times in five years for me. I just sand the ends and it works fine after that!


You just sand the ends to make it a little less wide at the outside of the plastic gears?


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Posted By: TEXMudder on 03/15/11 08:04pm

Dumb question for you that have serviced the pump before. Mine is locked up and I plan on replacing the gears. But, to get me through my next trip, I plan on sanding the gears. When I remove that cover, how much gas will come out? Do I need to pinch off the lines first or will I just lose a bit into a bucket and then be good to go?


Posted By: ethand on 08/24/10 03:53pm

My FP12 failed recently and found this thread while doing a search. I have had little luck finding the parts locally as well. Can someone post the contact info of where you found the parts so I can do the same.

Thanks
E


Posted By: nvreloader on 06/10/11 01:24pm

Hey MOD,
IS there any way that this complete post be made into a STICKY so the info is not lost.
Tia,
Don


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Posted By: DunDoneIt on 06/10/11 05:17am

VetPartTimer wrote:

My pump quit working recently too, but I have no idea what the problem is, maybe this is it.

When I turn on the timer switch, nothing. Before you could hear the timer running and then outside at the pump you could hear that the pump was on.

I checked the fuze box, all fuzes are good.

Could this be my problem?


Just try loosening the 4 bolts and see if it starts. Mine is still working good and all I did was sand the gears. See the above posts I made.


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Posted By: Clay_III on 06/07/11 09:16pm

Took my 05 PlayMor Renegade TB into the shop for its annual Roof treatment and inspection (cheap insurance to keep the lifetime warranty in force, cost to much to replace it again). While they had it, asked them to take a look at the Fuel pump. Needed some fuel and discovered the pump would only hmmmm. Worked 2 weeks ago. Anyway, shop calls and tells me that the manufacture of my pump is no longer in business and they cannot find a replacement anywhere. Asked for the model number (FB12) and began my search. 1st stop, RV.net, quick search through 5th Wheel TB section and found this thread. Called Graco, they told me the Graco replacement P/N. Called the shop back 20 minutes later with the info and they were off getting the pump.
Enjoy reading through the sections and actually have incorporated some of the suggestions into my TB. Thanks for the tips and keep them coming. You never know when it helps someone else out.
Thanks again.


Posted By: VetPartTimer on 06/07/11 07:10pm

My pump quit working recently too, but I have no idea what the problem is, maybe this is it.

When I turn on the timer switch, nothing. Before you could hear the timer running and then outside at the pump you could hear that the pump was on.

I checked the fuze box, all fuzes are good.

Could this be my problem?


Posted By: strlw on 06/03/11 10:02am

Here is link that looks like replacement gears.

http://store.gpipumps.com/ovkiforez.html


Posted By: DunDoneIt on 04/30/11 09:46pm

Thanks for the info on sanding down the gears.

Saved me a trip to the repair shop. I measured the gear and they were .755 and I figured they should be at .750. Sanded them down got them just under .748.

Pump working great now.

Just thinking how much it would have cost me in fuel alone just to go to the service center 150 mile round trip.

I first loosened the 4 bolts holding the gear and the pump did not leak but did start pumping. That told me it was the gear swell as others have found.


Posted By: tinner12002 on 05/01/11 03:43am

Well, Graco seems to know what the problem is now lets see if they fix it.


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Posted By: mrxlh on 05/01/11 07:33am

tinner12002 wrote:

Well, Graco seems to know what the problem is now lets see if they fix it.


The permanent fix is bronze gears. Which would probably make that pump $450.00 instead of $265.00. At least it is repairable.


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Posted By: DunDoneIt on 05/01/11 09:05am

Here is a breakdown of the GPI EZ8 pump.



An easy way to quickly get your pump running would be to loosen the 4 bolts (#2 in diagram) on the end cap that has GPI cast into it. It takes a standard 1/2 wrench or socket. Just loosen it enough to break them loose. The o-ring should not leak unless you loosen too much. If your pump starts working you need to sand your gears.

I had some 220 grit drywall open mesh paper and used it on a steel table. It took more pressure to remove material than I thought it would. You can sand some off and refit gears and try it to see if it works with the bolts tight. It does not take long to remove the gears once you get to the motor. Just watch for the small key (#17 in diagram) that drives the gear off the motor.


Posted By: tom cav on 03/15/11 08:44pm

very little fuel will come out ,i just had a few shop rags


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