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lindydon

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I'm brand new to this site. This is my first post. Hope I'm posting in the correct location.

We are seriously considering the purchase of a Crossroads Slingshot GT21FD. We have a 2010 Honda Minivan that has a tow capacity of 3500. At this point this is our only option for towing. Don't want to overload the transmission. Book says it can do it. Anyone have experience with this situation. We are totally new to the RV lifestyle. We have never owned or used one of these before. My brother has been Traveling in a motor home for four years and highly recommends it.

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Dry Weight: 3060
GVWR: 7372
Carrying Capacity: 4151
Hitch Weight: 372
Axle Weight: 2688

There are the specs for the trailer you are considering. Your Honda has a 3500# tow capacity. You will NOT be able to tow this trailer. I don't know what book you're looking at but this trailer EMPTY is going to put you at your limit. What does Honda say about tongue weight? 350#? If so, thats also going to limit you. This trailer will have a tongue weight in the 400#(empty)-958# when loaded. Think popup.
Do not use dry weights on any TT you are considering. An average family puts 1500#+ of gear and supplies in a TT. You will also never tow an empty trailer.


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I guess a family could load 1500lbs of gear in a trailer, but I couldn't. It's just DW and I and when we park the trailer and unload left over food, clothes, and camera gear, everything fits between the seats in the pickup.I suppose you could do it with kids, bicycles, firewood, etc, but 1500lbs is a LOT of stuff.


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3500 pounds towing capacity means single axle. Think Forest River R-pod, Heartland MPG, etc.

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Start looking at smallpop ups or maybe a Casita.

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More tow vehicle or less trailer. those are your options.


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lindydon wrote:

My brother has been Traveling in a motor home for four years and highly recommends it.


No offense but if your brother is recommending this setup for you, 4 years in a motorhome has done little to educate himself about trailer towing.

The day you pick it up at the dealership, equipped with battery, propane bottles, and any other options e.g. spare tire, TV, power awning etc... expect it to weigh darn near the Oddy's 3500 lb. limit. Then factor in the weight of the required weight distribution hitch, sway control, your gear in the van, your gear in the trailer, you'll be hundreds if not thousands of pounds over your limits. And you're not pulling a popup, your pulling a full height trailer i.e. a barn door into the wind....hope you know a good trany guy too.

Bottom line, put me in the "bad idea" camp.

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I own a 2000 Odyssey and would *NOT* do what you are considering.

Here is a post on that with pictures of labels, etc. Read and UNDERSTAND
your glove box manual, it has all the information you need.

UNDERSTAND is the tough part that most have issues with.

On that, decide if you believe the ratings or not. If not, then do
whatever. If yes, then UNDERSTAND them. Especially this page:




What do we KNOW, and how do we offer advice?


BenK wrote:

I personally know what a 'rating' is, but sadly, too many have no idea nor concept

I also know what a 'warranty' is and how it applies to the product to which it
covers.

Many have no concept that these two (rating and warranty) are interrelated.

Most in engineering and design do know this, as that is part of their
job and really a goal set by their management and/or Product Team. A
few who have experience with Product Design Teams also know, or those
who deal with life and limb in reference to them (say an electrician
who deals with ratings all day)....again, not an absolute, as I
personally know of several electricians who have no concept of what
a rating is...they do know that the circuit breaker will trip around
their rating, but that is the extent of it for them

One constant thread on this general topic is that GCWR is not a 'real' rating.
Or that it is NOT documented. Or that it will NOT affect the warranty.
Astounding to me that within the vary acronym has 'rating' in it, yet
many say it's not a rating.

Again, 'they' have gone past the rating, so think meaningless, but they have
no concept that they are into the safety margin portion. Even trying
to make an analogy to 'working' vs 'breaking' load of, say a rope or
chain has them deny or not understand what that 'rating' metric is.
They advise folks that 'they are good for it', as they 'have done it
for decades with no problems'

I do not go around looking for these ratings, but have them in one of my personal
vehicles, my 2000 Odyssey. My TV (1996 Suburban) does NOT have this listed in
anything that I have come across.



So it is a 'rating' for my 2000 Odyssey.

As are the MTWR for my Odyssey and a sample from a Pilot, which is
derived from an Odyssey (and on that, many have no clue that a Pilot is a CUV
or that it is basically a Odyssey with different sheetmetal)




which is not an 'absolute' number, but variable by what the TV is loaded with
(actually what it weighs in 'that' condition)


As are the GVWR, GAWR (front and rear)



I've posted this and similar 'specifications' and most ignore them, take them
out of context (absolutism) or say bogus.

I'm basically here to help those who ask me to comment on a post. Send many, many
here from my other forums, so they then come back to ask me to comment, etc.
I no longer try to answer a lot of posts because of the types who only want
to hear what they want (confirmation of their poor decision and that they really
already know the answer and just want a 'feel good confirmation)

Notice that these are all 'ratings' and if a person has no idea what a 'rating'
is, how can they understand how this whole process is or even means?




Another on the same topic:
http://forums.woodalls.com/Index.cfm/fus........d/24288549/gotomsg/24288668.cfm#24288668
BenK wrote:

Same platform as the Odyssey.

My 2000 Odyssey has a 3,500 MTWR with two people in and it progressively
goes down as the mini van is loaded up.

First you should decide whether to follow the ratings or not, as there
will be a few who advocate that the ratings are bogus.

Nephew has a Pilot and I posted some of his manual a few years ago and
will have to dig it up later.

Do a search on Odyssey, benk, MTWR, GVWR and it should show.

Oh, heck, here it is:

What can I tow with my Sienna?
















Here is the Pilot towing info

Towing a trailer with a Honda Pilot

Honda Pilot glove box manual towing section







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I've actually towed a R-Vision Trail Cruiser 21RB with a 2002 Honda Odyssey. Dry weight was 2800. Loaded weight was 3500-3800 + extra items in Odyssey. Technically you will be overweight but it all depends where and how often you expect to haul. I'm from NB, Cdn next to Maine. We do not have may hills (and I mean hills not mountains).
I've towed several time from NB to Montreal Quebec (850 kms one way) but most of our outing were local(less than 200 Kms round trip)

It did a decent job of hauling for three season. It all depends on your tolerance.

Make sure you have a good electric brake, transmission cooler, a power steering cooler and WD hitch. Travel with very little water and clean waste tanks

But again you will be maxed out++.

Traded the van at 110000 kms no mechanical problems.


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Trailmanor claims it can be pulled by an Odyssey.


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