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Posted: 05/18/11 08:43am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"...the white ceiling was scratched to the brown paper like backing.."

I can see that white paint they will use on it and how it will look already.


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I've seen a few RV that just arrived from the factory, wow they can look rough. The 5th wheels looked so bad I thought the dealership shouldn't have let me see them as my first impression was so bad.


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Its stories like this that would scare me away from ever buying new. If I buy a used unit, I can go all over it before I buy and feel comfortable with the purchase. I might consider a new unit if bought off the lot where I can inspect it before giving anyone money, but never for a sight unseen ordered unit. I sure hope they take care of your problems. Good luck to you.


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Why would the factory ship something if it where not up to par. Why would the dealer take it. They ( the factory) don't pay enough to really fix it so why should the dealer take it? The workers at the plant don't care. They are there until a better paying job comes along. OR they are court ordered to work.I see that a lot of times at a place I used to work at. The CO. gets busy and needs workers so the temp employment agency sends over some work release people. Good luck with that.

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Greentreena wrote:

I've seen a few RV that just arrived from the factory, wow they can look rough. The 5th wheels looked so bad I thought the dealership shouldn't have let me see them as my first impression was so bad.


I don't want to step on any toes or start anything here but we saw our Open Range fiver a couple of hours after it arrived from the factory at our dealer and it was pristine and ready to go. The only thing the dealership did was wash it and add the second battery we had requested. Not all factories are the same.


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Peggy, We too have an Open Range. We took a tour of the factory - after we had already purchased ours. The folks at the factory were great. Ours was one of the first ones built and we did have some issues. Our dealer was very helpful as I asked that we be able to take it back to the factory for repair. The glue on the whole back panel was beginning to come loose and let the outer skin start to wrinkle. Got to the factory around 6 AM and by 3 we were there to pick it up. they had gone thourgh the 5er and fixed some things on their own that we had not even said anything about. Dave Hammond was extremely helpful - head of the warranty and service - and also the Tech Rob was super. I have no regrets about our 5er and would definately get another one.


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Called KZ, they were only concerned about the ceiling. The $300 vent they installed in a 4x4 bathroom was not a concern. This was standard they said. I told them that the toilet fan is standard in all trailers and why would I order three extra fans. These fans should have been added and not a replacement, I see no credit on my invoice for the upgrade for the crappy fan. I had told him that the fan in the bathroom should have been that crappy one all manufacturers install and the three new fans should have been placed where there was no fan. No common sence will prevail on this issue, this is my opinion, I see this as being a problem. If they had doubts they should have called the dealer. My deposit was on MC and I can cancel it so this is a relief.

The Salesperson was more comforting. He agreed that the fan should have been installed in the shower/bedroom area. The number of problems on the unit was high and that they are going to work with KZ on getting them fixed. The salesperson was great and I beleive that he will help resolve this. This is the second trailer I bought off of him.

13 days left and today I would say dealership 1 and KZ 0. Its still early to see how the dealership and KZ will step up to the plate together and resolve these problems.

By the way there is no system checks on RV's when they leave the factory this is what I was told (KZ). So its a real good thing I did not take partial delivery of this unit. Basically, the dealership can carry the balance owing until it is fixed. I have patience and I am dissapointed right now, however this is only one day old and there is lots of time for this unit to be in a deliverable state. I would not say 100% because I do not beleive the industry is capable of this level of quality.

At least my DW had said to me yesterday, "The clours are nice" and "there is the QC sticker". Had to laugh. This week ends cancelled camping trip will cost me, however I can live with that. At least I will not be in a 5th wheel all week end wondering what will and won't work. I now have a different appreciation on the dealerships pdi process, especially when they get a unit like this. VENT VENT VENT.....


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I've had similar experiences with trailers I have oredered. It disappoints me that trailer manufacturers allow units to leave the factory knowingly needing repairs before the customers dealership gets the unit. There really is no creditable excuse to release a trailer from the factory until all cosmetics and systems have been thoroughly tested and inspected. It just points out the lack of quality control many of these manufacturers build to. It is almost a mentality of we build it you deal with the aftermath, because we already have your money!
My wife and I presently have a 2011 Coachmen North Ridge and are going through similar issues. The unit was ordered at the Hershey Pa. show last fall. It took me three weeks to get the buld date for the unit, as I wanted to go to the factory to film the unit in production. I was given the start date, but when I arrived, the unit was alreday 2/3 built! Fortunately, I caught three major things that needed correction. Two deletions and one add on item. When the trailer was delivered to us, the bedroom decor was not what we ordered. The dealer had to pull the bedroom decor out of a lot trailer and install it in ours before we could leave to come home!
The trailer was brought home in November and winter stored until mid January, when we left for a three month trip south. First thing to crop up, a flawed alluminum wheel. It had a pin hole in it and required airing up every morning! The company replaced the wheel, but it was the aggrevation of having to find a dealership on the road that would handle the exchange of the tire and wheel.
Next, the wrap around wood under the interior steps split. Once the broken wood was removed, it was obvious there was NO framing behind it. I made my own and delivered it to the dealership that is repairing it.
The OEM matress has also been exchanged by the matress manufacturer. The original was supposed to be a "pillow top premium matress", according to the literature. Well, it was niether premium, nor pillow top! The fact is, it was the cheapest piece of junk they could have put in the trailer. The interior of it was nothing more than dacron batting layered up to fill the space between the cover material. No inner springs, and no foam pillow top!
The morning we left to drive home from South Carolina, the black tank valve jammed in the OPEN position. Another well engineered snafu, as the valve is inside the enclosed belley and is cable acctuated! No way to do a quick service and according to the dealer doing the repairs, the valve and cable have to be ordered from Coachmen to get the correct cable length! You can bet an additional manual slide valve will be installed at the cap, as an emergency shut off!
Then there is the issue of the basement cabinet style access doors with the new "slam latches". First, there is no way to hold the doors open. When the wind blows and you are trying to get something out of the basement, the doors are constantly closing, or hitting you in the behind! Of a more pressing issue, they don't seal! When it rains, the basement carpet gets soaked. The dealer doing the repairs made a last ditch effort to fix the problem after calling the factory for help. He had tried a couple of things and nothing worked to keep the water out. His comment last week, if the factory can't help, I donn't know what else to do! That's great news!
There are some other irritating things that will be fixed as soon as I have the trailer back from the warranty repairs. I'm fortunate to both have the tools and knowledge to do the work, rather than having to pay and wait for a dealership to do these things, but it still bothers the heck out of me that the manufacturer did not do a better job building the trailer. We pay a lot for these trailers and should expect to get a quality product.

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Film the unit in production..... Bud are you kidding me what is it the birth of your child get yourself a hobby if you have that much time on your hands... I'm surprised the manufacturer would even entertain that oh that's to funny....

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We actually got to see and inspect our 06 Montana 3400 the day it arrived in the dealers lot from the factory. We were the fist ones in it. it was in pretty good shape from the factory. We nit picked it to death and came up with a list of things we wanted repaired..before any $$ changed hands. The dealership was great. We did a 8 hour PDI and we rolled off the dealers lot in perfect shape and it remained that way for six months till it burst into flames in Quartzsite due to sloppy workmanship running electrical wiring.
We would have had to drop the under belly to see that...


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Actually, here in my city you can hook up on the internet and watch/record your car being restored/repaired in real time at car paint shops. It is an added service that they provide to thier clients. You do not have to call the repair shop to ask what the progress is on your vehicle.

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