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On a completely different issue, I would say that there will be a lot more payload capacity with a 16K GVWR F450 cab/chassis or 19.5K GVWR F550, than with a 16K GVWR or 19.5K GVWR TerraStar. The TerraStar can't be as light as an F450/550. I would say the TerraStar's scale weight will be more comparable to an F650 than an F450/550. I would expect at least 1000 lbs maybe 2000 lbs less payload capacity for equal GVWR's with the TerraStar, versus the F450/550.
You are definitely right here. The F450/550 would be a much better choice in terms on 'on paper' payload. It's tare weight is much less. This Terrastar is much more like my Kodiak. Mine weighs a bit over 12-12.5K empty (with bed/boxes) and is technically rated as a 17,500 GVWR meaning only 5500 for payload. That's potentially less than a standard cab, gas engine 3500. The reality of it is that I'd much rather be carrying that load on my truck than a 3500. How my truck handles this load compared to an F550 is hard to say. All that extra tare weight on mine is coming from somewhere....the frame for sure, and I think bigger calipers, rotors, spring hangers etc.....so I tend to think my truck would take the abuse better than an F550 but I don't know.
It's impressive that Ford can make that light a truck (450/550) carry that much load "officially" but I do think the Kodiak or Terrastar is probably a beefier truck....IMO. And, you get a Duramax/Allison
In terms of the Terrastar, my only concern is that they are trying to scale things down in price and "class" to compete with the 450/550 so it makes me wonder what they've done to cut costs (and weight?) and if that will still result in a strong truck or did they hamstring it somehow. I wouldn't be concerned about the engine, that's for sure.
BTG, I agree that the GM 4500/5500 and the various International, Sterling, Freightliner, etc trucks in that class do have more substance in their structure than the pickup-based design of the F450/550 trucks. The other trucks are built more like F650's but with lighter springs and axles. The older F500 trucks were more a true commercial truck than the the F550.
All that extra tare weight on mine is coming from somewhere....the frame for sure, and I think bigger calipers, rotors, spring hangers etc.....so I tend to think my truck would take the abuse better than an F550 but I don't know.
I agree totally with your statements, as being a Ford F550 owner and truck camper. I believe your set up is much more "Heavy Duty" than my Ford F550.
My concern was not to go to a heavy use truck, so as not to prematurely wear out/stress/fatigue my LANCE Truck Camper. Sort of the "weakest link" is the Lance TC itself and I would rather not stress everything and scramble my eggs in the fridge, so my truck is the limiter for me. I would love a small Pop-Up TC and go where those guys are not afraid to tread, but not live in them full time and in four seasons.
Just built one up:
1000 HS Allison
Brakes: ABS Brakes
Front Axle: 6,000 lbs
Front Suspension: 6,000 lbs
Rear Axle: 10,000 lbs.
Rear Suspension: 11,000 lbs
I wouldn't even bother with the 4x4, even if offered at $6000 +/-. This price is very interesting indeed, considering the truck chassis is built like a rock crusher. I wouldn't even consider putting anything on a flatbed but the Northstar flatbed camper. Imaging the many, many $thousands it'll cost you to fill in the holes with flatbed storage cabinets? And, the HUGE quantity of living floor space you'll give up (even a triple slide with slides in nets out to a regular truck camper floor-space: ie. you have to deploy them or the unit is just a regular truck camper floor/volume)
Silver - wouldn't you want the 1000 RDS Allison and the heavier axles? I bet that 6K front end would be pretty close to it's max......now add a big bumper/winch etc. and I think you'd want the 7 or 8K front (which I believe comes standard with the 4x4.)
The only problem I have with the Northstar flatbed model, is all they really do is box in the space around it - they don't use the extra volume in the design itself. What I mean by that is they don't use that space for bigger tanks, a taller slide, lower floors, putting the propane tanks/heater etc. At least I don't think they do.
My knowledge is of the International trucks from '37 to '52 with the D series, then KB, and then L series. This thread got me thinking about the new offerings from International and ran across these two awesome trucks. I can see the biggest thing every envisioned by Lance fitting on one of these and capacity to haul a lot more.