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Mikeyt2185

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Posted: 08/07/11 10:01am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I weighed my truck and 5er while on the way to a state park last month and was rather stunned by what I found. If I did everything right I am 640 # over weight on the truck. My truck is a 2005 Dodge 2500 CTD 4x4 short bed, and my trailer is a 2010 Crossroads Sunset Trail 29BH. Here are my numbers:
Truck w/5er: 9,640#, F axle 4,680#, R axle 4,960#, GVWR 9,000#
Truck w/o 5er: 7,900#, F axle 4,640#, R axle 3,260#
Trailer 9,340#, F axle 3,660#, R axle 3,940#, GVWR 11,520,GAWR 5,080#, 1,740# pin weight, 7,000# on the axles
Total weight, 17,240#

I am no where near any of my max axle ratings or GVWR of the 5er, but still show to be over the GVWR of the truck. Our 5er is not a big camper and I don’t think we load it down with a lot of stuff, I’ve seen worse. I don’t tow with anything in the tanks other than a bit of fresh water for the occasional pit stop on the road. We aren’t heavy family either, 460 # for the four of us. This is starting to make me think most 2500/250’s out there are overloaded. I’m not trying to go all weight police, but I would not have even guessed we were over, let alone 640 # over. FWIW the truck pulls pretty good. I have BFG AT 305/65-17 tires on the truck and I think they are hurting my MPG. I have no idea what gears I have.


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Posted: 08/07/11 10:08am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Welcome to "real world" towing. Not the "Rv.net" perfect world where there has to be a made up 10% safety margin built in. I would be willing to bet that 98% of the towing world is in your situation yet there are very very few travel trailer accidents every year and most of them are related to weather and operator error just like any other accident. Most likely not related to being slightly overweight on some manufacturers numbers.

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Posted: 08/07/11 10:19am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Oh and the first words out of the DW mouth. "You are not getting a new truck". There may be more than one thing getting traded in soon. Ha Ha. Just a joke, I couldn't live without her.

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Posted: 08/07/11 10:30am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You're well under your axle ratings and GCWR, I wouldn't worry about being 600# over a 9000# GVWR. That's only a few percent, and certainly won't comprimise safety. I am a collision reconstructionist, and have been certified as an expert witness in many criminal trials. My previous TV was the 2002 Dodge listed in my sig. When paired with my previous TT, I was often 400# over my GVWR (but well under both GAWRs) like you. I wasn't a bit concerned. Towed that way for 3 years, never a problem.


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Posted: 08/07/11 10:46am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ib516 wrote:

You're well under your axle ratings and GCWR, I wouldn't worry about being 600# over a 9000# GVWR. That's only a few percent, and certainly won't comprimise safety. I am a collision reconstructionist, and have been certified as an expert witness in many criminal trials. My previous TV was the 2002 Dodge listed in my sig. When paired with my previous TT, I was often 400# over my GVWR (but well under both GAWRs) like you. I wasn't a bit concerned. Towed that way for 3 years, never a problem.


I share this opinion.


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If you look at the all the ratings of the 250/2500 and 350/3500 it looks as if the 3/4 tons were designed for TT's, and the 1 tons for 5ers / gn's. The total of the axle ratings is higher then the gvwr bacause it is near impossible to balance the axle weights when loading to hit gvwr. A 4800 front with a 9k gvwr would leave the rear rated for 4200. with empty weights of 4,640#, R axle 3,260# that would leave 160# up front, and 940 out back. No one would buy the truck if that was on the sticker.


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Posted: 08/07/11 10:58am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I also run around 9300-9500 lbs on a 9000 gvwr Dodge 2500HD, but well within tire and axle ratings, and don't give it another thought. It amazes me when the axle ratings are 11k, but only 9k on the truck.

Edited to add: Dodge rating is 5k front, 6k rear. I run right at 4600-4700 on both axles. I haul a 1k lb RZR and 100 lb generator in the bed, and tow a 27' TT.

* This post was edited 08/07/11 11:08am by alageezer *


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Posted: 08/07/11 11:14am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The truck is over the GVWR because of the heavy diesel engine, 4wd and crew cab. They put too low a GVWR on the 2500 trucks, compared to their unloaded scale weight. 9000 GVWR on a truck that weighs 7900 lbs empty only leaves 1100 lbs of payload capacity, which is rediculusly pathetic and practically unusable for anything but a minor load of whatever in the bed, or a bumper pull trailer with a light tongue weight.

With a gas engine, 2wd and a regular cab, the front axle weight would be a good 1000+ lbs lighter, around 3500-ish lbs. With the same GVWR, that's 1000+ lbs more payload capacity, bringing it up to 2100+ lbs. That's a more useful payload capacity.

Dodge should just make the 2500 available with the gas engine and regular or extended cab only and save the diesel engine and mega/crew cab options for the 3500SRW and DRW models, then the truck would have a useful payload. Either that, or improve the truck and increase the GVWR of the 2500 model to an acceptable level (say 10,000 lbs), so as to give it a reasonable, useful payload capacity. Then again, a 2500 with a 10K GVWR is a 3500SRW....


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Posted: 08/07/11 11:34am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Also, the only mechanical difference between your 2005 2500 and my 2007 3500 SRW is a couple of leaf springs in the back. Engine, trans, brakes, wheels, driveshaft, axles, etc. etc. are all the same, and mine has a 10,100# GVWR.

That's why I say it's not a safety issue.

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SoCal my payload is 2,187#, but half of it is used up by the weight of the family, my new Superglide hitch, and a tool box that is lightly loaded. Dodge says my truck weighs 6,813#, so I apparently have 1,087# on the truck before I add my 1,740# of pin weight.

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