$23000 in repairs for a gallon of basically water in the tank. That is stupid crazy. I pity anybody that buys a used 6.7 Ford in 5 to 10 years. It appears to me that rebuilding them is gonna cost more than the trucks are worth....
I would expect any engine to just not run -- not destroy itself....
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ksss wrote: The poster in my view is a stand up guy. He took a heck of beating for posting that yet never lost his cool. He took responsiblity for what happened. He merely stated that Ford didn't help the situation given the location of the fill for DPF.
The only partial explaination I can see for the damage is if the number 2 injector was damaged to the point it dumped the water in the cylinder and of course unable to compress, things bent. You know with dealer mark up and outragous shop rates you can get to 23K but dam that is almost unbelievable. Unless insurance saves the day, it would be tough to drop another 20+K into it. Likely could sell the truck to an auto wrecking/used parts place for 15K maybe more and get something else.
Probably wont be the last. If FORD moves the fill for DPF, then thats a clue to the number of people who did the same thing.
...it's DEF...you do not fill the DPF you clean it out...
That's a big if by the way...Ford will sell over 310,000 6.7 powered 2011 F Series trucks...let's see...in all my wandering around the Ford web boards, I have seen 4 separate individuals who have posted that they have made this mistake. Two ran the engines without mitigating the mistake and damaged the engines...the guy being discussed is one of them. One only put a little in before he caught the mistake. He worked through his dealer and has no damage. The last one dumped the whole 2.5 gallon container into the fuel tank. He had it towed, drained and he is still running. Far more owners of all types of diesel powered RV's have put gasoline in their tanks than will ever make this DEF mistake. BP even has green fuel nozzle covers on all their pump handles...do we go after them for that issue?
I still am amazed that this mistake has happened...someone was really tired or very distracted. The DEF will last 5000 to 7000 miles before it gets low enough for serious warnings about limp modes appear. No one needs to run either the Ford or the GM so low that they are in a jam to get the DEF filled.
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This guy cracks me up "I almost feel like ford designed it this way for failure to make a few extra bucks."
You know, the oil fill and the coolant fill under my hood are very close to each other, but I'm smart enough to not pour the coolant in the crankcase. And if I ever did make that mistake, I sure as hell wouldn't start the engine and think, well, it was just a little bit of water....
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ksss wrote: The poster in my view is a stand up guy. He took a heck of beating for posting that yet never lost his cool. He took responsiblity for what happened. He merely stated that Ford didn't help the situation given the location of the fill for DPF.
The only partial explaination I can see for the damage is if the number 2 injector was damaged to the point it dumped the water in the cylinder and of course unable to compress, things bent. You know with dealer mark up and outragous shop rates you can get to 23K but dam that is almost unbelievable. Unless insurance saves the day, it would be tough to drop another 20+K into it. Likely could sell the truck to an auto wrecking/used parts place for 15K maybe more and get something else.
Probably wont be the last. If FORD moves the fill for DPF, then thats a clue to the number of people who did the same thing.
...it's DEF...you do not fill the DPF you clean it out...
Regards
I typed it wrong,
I am well aware of the difference.
Regardless of color or size of cap. Putting them side by side with the fuel cap will result in more of this. Not one of Fords better ideas. You don't think everyone that does this posts a thread about it do you?
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Most times I have seen water ingestion it went to the fuel water separator and stopped the fuel delivery. Now if water came through the air intake that would be a different story.
I call BS on this one. Probably another Ford hater.
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Regardless of color or size of cap. Putting them side by side with the fuel cap will result in more of this. Not one of Fords better ideas. You don't think everyone that does this posts a thread about it do you?
I think side-by-side is ideal. It's a clear reminder that there is a separate reservoir. Tuck it away under the hood, I think a good number of folks will forget there is a separate tank.
PS - I've never put washer fluid in my motor oil, but they're adjacent to each other. If somebody can't get something simple like that right, I question that they should even be driving on public roads.
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ksss wrote: The poster in my view is a stand up guy. He took a heck of beating for posting that yet never lost his cool. He took responsiblity for what happened. He merely stated that Ford didn't help the situation given the location of the fill for DPF.
The only partial explaination I can see for the damage is if the number 2 injector was damaged to the point it dumped the water in the cylinder and of course unable to compress, things bent. You know with dealer mark up and outragous shop rates you can get to 23K but dam that is almost unbelievable. Unless insurance saves the day, it would be tough to drop another 20+K into it. Likely could sell the truck to an auto wrecking/used parts place for 15K maybe more and get something else.
Probably wont be the last. If FORD moves the fill for DPF, then thats a clue to the number of people who did the same thing.
...it's DEF...you do not fill the DPF you clean it out...
Regards
I typed it wrong,
I am well aware of the difference.
Regardless of color or size of cap. Putting them side by side with the fuel cap will result in more of this. Not one of Fords better ideas. You don't think everyone that does this posts a thread about it do you?
twice????
no...I certainly do not...but the biggest complainers about the location of the Ford's DEF fill are not Ford Owner's...are you????
...of course not...as mentioned earlier, how do you keep from putting washer fluid or anti-freeze in your oil fill?...how do you not fill your diesel fuel tank with gasoline seeing that at most non-truck stop fuel islands, they have gas and diesel fuel on the same pump...trying to hang this obvious owner mistake on Ford for the location of the fill is ludicrous...but expected on this site
Something isn't right, there are enough safety checks in modern diesels to prevent water from making its way into the injection system. Imagine the o.p. filling up at a fuel station and picking up a slug of water, not an uncommon happening, thats gonna cost $20,000 dollars? Same scenario, nearly same product. I call b.s. on at least some of the story.
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