CKNSLS wrote: Your certainly entitled to your views about CARB. But I have been raised in California from a baby and I am now 55 years old. Growing up as a child, I used to play in my Grandmas back yard. At the end of the day my throat and lungs used to hurt, and you couldn't see the mountains 20 miles away. Along came CARB, now we have the most cars registered in the Nation, the air is cleaner and clearer than it's ever been. And others states have adopted our clean air standards that are more strict than the Fed standards. So I have first hand experience about how some regulations can have a very positive outcome.
Agree with you and remember those lung burning days also. However, I do not believe that the diesel truck owner was the culprit but rather the phasing out of the older vehicle with horrible emissions. I think that many here also agree that the diesel truck is far less of a polluter that the Korean War bright yellow school bus still allowed to be in service.
I completely agree.
I'm afraid my 2-stroke weed whip and leaf blowers are going to be collector's items soon.
I grew up in the Crescenta Valley just west of Pasadena. All the crud from the San Gabriel basin would funnel into our little valley and just sit there. At my grammar school it was more common for PE/recess to be cancelled on smog days than on rainy days.
BTW, does anybody remember the cheery Smog Alert jingle from KROQ in the 80s? It was part of their weather report. You knew you were screwed when they played it:
When your eyeballs start to hurt,
It's a first stage smog alert.
When you drop dead in the dirt,
It's a first stage smog alert.
Smog alert. Smog alert.
Can't see the buttons on your shirt.
It's a first state smog alert.
The problem with CA and CARB is that it is the exact same thing which completely killed the steel industry in the US. Too many regulations, and domestic businesses can't handle them, so foreign companies have a cost advantage, so they swarm in, produce products that are pennies on the dollar, and there goes another industry.
This doesn't say that all regulations are bad. Deregulate some industries like banks and airlines, and you have a mess on your hands. However, the cost to businesses needs to be dealt with, Tax credits are one thing to soften the blow.
MadMav wrote: What?????? There is no such thing.Mav
x2. Even if I had pipes (stacks) hanging out of my truck, it does not mean that I don't have a cat on my truck.
BK, wouldn't that meet requirements for probable cause or reasonable suspicion? That would suck though as my 2001 7.3 did not come stock with a cat.
Probable cause is exactly that (any reason) pretty much sums it up
We all think the LE is dumb but they are not they know there stuff for the most part we are the ones who are trying to get away with it
We all want more HP Torque, shiny stuff on our trucks and for the most part when we by a part we rarely look at the warning labels that state (This product is used for off road use only) or it will say ( this product is not DOT approved in some states refer to your local state laws)
We go out of state to buy a truck thinking we can get away from the CA tax but when you get caught with a truck or car in CA with a out of state plate and a CA license it also gives LE and open door to all kinds of things to look for
The truck above was bought in OR I was caught in CA with it with an OR plate in 2001 I had a place in OR and in CA but I had a CA license, well It cost a lot of money to get it corrected, because I only had 7200 miles on it
I had to weigh the truck, I had to go to court, for the ticket, I had a fine plus I had to pay the tax on the truck from the invoice, and I had to get a cat put on the truck because it is in CA even though I could prove I lived in OR at the time the reasoning behind it was that I spend at least 51% of my time in CA remember the word (time)it didnt matter that I lived in OR I spend at least 51% of my time in CA
I faught this thing for 2 years and spend good money and still lost
and I know other people that got away with it thats why I didnt in the first place, well it didnt work and it ended up costing me more to by an out of state truck then I could of here
I even went as far as to get a dual resident plate and it still didn't matter
There is no way CHP pulled a guy over for illegal exhaust while driving down the road.
1) How would they know he did not have a cat?
2) How would they know his truck would not pass smog?
3) How would they know his exhaust was not simply new OEM replacement?
4) How would they know his exhaust did not have CARB approval?
Exhaust issues are all handled at the inspection and through the registration process.
Maybe $1800.00 to replace the after market stuff with OEM because a guy did not pass inspection when his truck was tested- but only so he could get registration and not for any fine...
the original stop was for over sized exhaust,
1) How would they know he did not have a cat? by checking the vin and reg
2) How would they know his truck would not pass smog? who said he was getting it smogged at that time
3) How would they know his exhaust was not simply new OEM replacement? then it would have a cat on it
4) How would they know his exhaust did not have CARB approval? it would have a CARB tag on it along with at cat
CHP DOT can pull you over for just about anything thats there job, and if they feel that there is something not right about what they see on your truck they can and will pull it for inspection at any place or time, It happens all the time
anytime you see a CHP truck with a camper shell on it you know he is CHP DOT
First off, there is no code section of the California Vehicle Code for "Oversized Exhaust". It simply doesn't exist, and exhaust size is unregulated as it in no way affects vehicle emissions.
Secondly, here in California we have no DOT. We only have city police, county sheriff, and the CHP. The CHP commercial enforcement division officers are regular CHP officers whom have additional special training in the enforcement and safety of commercial vehicles. Aside from commercial vehicle laws and Federal commercial vehicle laws, these officers have no more information pertaining to non commercial vehicles than regular CHP officers do. The DOT here in this state is Cal Trans, which has no enforcement authorities of any kind.
Thirdly, my 2004 F350 6.0 has a 50 state legal, CARB approved Magnaflow Turbo Back exhaust system, with a cat added in. There is no CARB tag on it. No tag is required. All that is required is for either a CARB EO-D sticker to be present(no affixing locations required, ie. firewall, door, etc.), or the EO-D number must be embossed or in relief somewhere on the product. The EO-D # on it is only embossed on the muffler.
Norcalrockhunter wrote: I got to thinking about this last night and here is something else they are going after and it did happen to me about 3 years ago
I have a 100 gal fuel tank in the bed of my truck, I was outside of susanville CA and was pulled over by the DOT I did not have a trailer nor was I speeding but they wanted to check my tank to see if I was running red fuel, I was not but they are also looking for that 2 he told me its a big fine if you are caught
It is perfectly legal to have red dyed diesel(off road diesel) in any bed mounted fuel tank, but it must be labeled as such. It is normally used in tractors, generators, and construction equipment. It is just not legal to put it into your factory fuel tank and burn on the road. CHP does not stop for that. EPA/CARB will pull commercial trucks into roadside inspections to dip the tanks of truck tractors with tank probes covered with a gel that turns colors when they come in contact with red dyed fuel. The only difference between #2 Diesel and red dyed diesel is that there are no state, Federal, or road use taxes charged for that fuel. The blend is exactly the same with red dye added.
tempforce wrote: it was just the state complaining to the base, about the loud out of state vehicles.
one of my friends showed up with a straight piped pickup with Oklahoma plates. he had to put a muffler on it, to get base tags.
my jeep was just checked as it had all of the required equipment.
when transfered to Chicago, that base complained about my bumpers sticking out on the jeep !!!. they were even with the fender flares.
i used my home state tags, insurance, ect at every location.
except Hawaii, they required an extra sticker, for road use.
my last gasoline vehicle passed all emissions test, without a converter, egr, ect. and got 4 mpg better after modifying the engine. (my home state didn't require a under vehicle inspection at that time)..
and yes you can be pulled over in any state for a safety inspection, possible overload, non taxed fuel and federal regulations, which include emissions.
California is refusing puc permits to heavy trucks going into the l.a., San Diego and San Fransisco areas, not meeting their exhaust emission requirements. this is currently based on the model year of heavy truck. ie: a staged enforcement period..
some drivers are refusing loads to/from california...
NOT TRUE AT ALL!! Complete misinformation. I own a trucking company. There are only local regulations and are only for going into the Ports of L.A., Long Beach, and San Francisco, and those are for drayage(container) haulers. Those ports allow only preapproved companies with existing Concession Agreements and trucks meeting the Port's Clean Truck program. Out of state common carriers and owner operators are not exempt. Also there are no PUC permits for California. Trip Permits are easily obtained from truck stops as or prior to entering the state, and oversize vehicle permits are issued through CalTrans. Trucks can come and go freely in the state to pick up and deliver their freight. Drivers have been refusing to come here and New York City as long as I've been driving(since 1983).
Norcalrockhunter wrote: I got to thinking about this last night and here is something else they are going after and it did happen to me about 3 years ago
I have a 100 gal fuel tank in the bed of my truck, I was outside of susanville CA and was pulled over by the DOT I did not have a trailer nor was I speeding but they wanted to check my tank to see if I was running red fuel, I was not but they are also looking for that 2 he told me its a big fine if you are caught
It is perfectly legal to have red dyed diesel(off road diesel) in any bed mounted fuel tank, but it must be labeled as such. It is normally used in tractors, generators, and construction equipment. It is just not legal to put it into your factory fuel tank and burn on the road. CHP does not stop for that. EPA/CARB will pull commercial trucks into roadside inspections to dip the tanks of truck tractors with tank probes covered with a gel that turns colors when they come in contact with red dyed fuel. The only difference between #2 Diesel and red dyed diesel is that there are no state, Federal, or road use taxes charged for that fuel. The blend is exactly the same with red dye added.
Yes you are correct its legal to have it in the bed of the truck but its not legal to run it in your truck if you are using the truck on the highways or byways in CA the sticked my big tank to see if I had red fuel, it was clear, then there was no reason to stick the lower tank,
My 01 F250 was bought in Healdsburg CA new fresh of the truck with no cat and a CA Emissions cert saying so under the hood. Last year it passed insp. with a Magnaflow turbo back 4" and the stock program from my Edge with no hassle whatsoever. I always ran the stock program towing for EGT reasons and it would always have soot around the 5" tip and the quarter after longer trips.
My 2011 F350 pulls the same Cyclone like the 7.3 could only dream about and after 7000 miles the inside of the tip is shiny with no trace of soot. The mileage between the 2 is virtually identical if not slightly in the new ones favor and I have spent 50.00 on DEF at the dealer during the oil change. I'll trade that for the air quality we have now any day.
Come up and camp by Avenue of the Giants like I am right now and you'll get why I'll be the one who shuts the lights off as I leave CA.
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