sepisllib
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Nice job too - Larry.
You know - its too bad that Norcold isn't seeing what some of us out here are having to do in order to enjoy a "decent" refrigeration system without all the safety risks.
I know, for a fact, that 12 volt and solar powered refrigerators and freezers are out there and can be installed. I suspect they are far safer and likely in the end do not cost any more than the Norcold absorption system.
In the meantime - I have now located and installed little "safety" latches for my Frigidaire and do not have to worry about the magnetic seal letting loose when traveling and letting the fridge or freezer door swing open. It was an easy fix and easy installation, and from the way they work I believe it just may last quite a few years.
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I am so jealous. Just think hard ice cream and as much ice as you want.!
Fair warning NorCold POS, one hiccup and I am throwing you out the window.
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I hope you have good luck with that refer holding up. I use to work on them and got sick and tired of working on the same old problems with them. If yours is the inverter model I have doubts that it will hold up under modified sine wave inverter. My bet is you will be blowing boards for the inverter that runs the compressor. I am curious who told you Samsung said it would be okay to run off a modified sine wave. Did you talk to a service manager or some flunky on the phone from Samsung.
Good luck to you on your purchase the install looks great.
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rkentzel wrote: I am curious who told you Samsung said it would be okay to run off a modified sine wave. Did you talk to a service manager or some flunky on the phone from Samsung.
This is an official Samsung answer:
I want to put a Model # S267TDRS in our RV that has a Modified Sine Wave inverter..
Will the refrigerator function correctly on Inverter power when not pluged into 120vac from a campground? I understand that some of the Samsung models such as the RF 197 will function correctly due to the refrigerator's power supply which rectifies the voltage to DC. Is this true for the Model RS267 and other or all models?
asked 2 weeks, 5 days ago TMR25 on 18 cu. ft. French Door Refrigerator
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The RS267TDRS and other Samsung refrigerators may be able to operate on a modified sine wave inverter that meets the 115V/60 Hz/11.6 amp power requirement. However, Samsung does not recommend installing the refrigerator in a motor home due to the potential for power and temperature fluctuations.
Thank you for your interest,
Ms. Samsung
If you want to see it for yourself, you can find it here: Samsung Q's and A's In a previous question, the statement was made that internally Samsung refrigerators rectify the current to DC so the MSW inverter is not an issue. For a global company it makes sense to design products this way since they can be made to be completely insensitive to AC voltage (120/240 or 100 in parts of Japan) and 60 vs 50 Hz issues.
Up until a month or two ago, Samsung was not caveating the use of this fridge, but I think they realized that some people didn't understand the starting current requirements and were using undersized inverters. Despite the fact that lots of Samsungs are being used in RVs they obviously don't want to handle warranty claims associated with this, but I'm not all that concerned. We have a 2,500 watt Xantrex and so far have not had any indication of problems.
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I was an authorized servicer for this product I know how they work. You have one screw up in power and you will fry your inverter board on that fringe. It takes ac voltage and converts it to dc 3 phase for the compressor. If you fry that board you will have to remove that refer to get to the boards because they are all on the back wall of the refer. The inverter model has three boards as I recall and have replaced many of them.
You did not get explicit permission from them they gave you enough to hang yourself. If you call a service man for that refer be prepared to remove it yourself as it is not a normal installation per Samsung not recommended . If this model has a ice room in the fresh food section I would highly recommend that you don't use it the water will splash out while moving your rig causing ice jams and will freeze the ice bucket in and you cant remove it for any reason till you turn the refer off and thaw it out. Good luck great install
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I think all the nay-sayers are well intended and only providing negative input so that we, ones switching to residential fridges, can clearly see potential issues. And, there may well be some power issues in the wings and for that only time will tell.
For me - I am totally "Fed Up" with the issues and problems with the Norcold. Did anyone provide similar such warnings to cover the Norcold and other brands? No - never heard a word. Just a few fires that cause untold damage and deaths.
On the fridge removal issue - yes, it is true that the unit will have to be removed for some of the servicing issues. BUT - my Norcold had to be slid out to service something more than one time (and by the way - that effort was what caused my last and final problems with my Norcold).
When I installed my Frigidaire I put it in so that it will be easy to remove. I put in two lag bolts on the bottom front and then ran a light duty chain from the back wall to the top hinge and hooked it in to that hinge very snugly.
Now - I have a 10 1/3 inch platform I carry in one bay that all I have to do is unscrew the lag bolts, remove the molding from around the fridge (screws) and unhook the top chain. I turn off the water and unhook the water line and then as the fridge pulls gently out (its on rollers) onto the platform I can go to back and unplug it (but cord will allow fridge to sit entirely in the floor for servicing if needed).
Also - I made a point of not setting my fridge up to run on the inverter. My lifestyle is not one of boondocking and even when traveling I nearly always run the generator anyway (in past because that darned Norcold refused to stay lit on gas and they never were able to repair it so it would stay lit, and another is because when we travel usually it is hot out and need the roof AC units to keep cool, or it is cold and need the AC units to keep warm).
Will I ever be sorry I threw out the Norcold? Well - yes, because I hate quality (the lack of it) and safety risks I simply refuse to accept. Then there is the costs ---- for what little one actually receives in the Norcold, they certainly are expensive. I just was not willing to shell out $4,000 for installation of a new Norcold and have the same problems and issues as before.
So - some of us are striking out and taking the hard steps to rectify the tired old situation. At least "we" are trying.
In meantime ---- thank you all for the input, negative, warning, concerns, and applause. We that have made the switch "really - really" do appreciate it all.
PS - nearly forgot to add something on the ice makers. The only question I have on ice makers in these things is ----- what is the difference? I mean - both the Norcold and the residential refrigerators have similar ice making units (some actually interchange), so if a residential ice maker fills with water to make ice - what would be the difference of filling the Norcold ice maker with water to make ice?
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The only difference is some of these newer refers have a ice room in the fresh food compartment. If for some reason you get a ice jam running down the road you will have a big mess in the ice room compartment because it will tilltry to fill and water will run into compartment thats all. You will not be able to remove the ice bucket to clear it till you shut down the refer to thaw it out. I suggest you shut off the ice maker while traveling.
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rkentzel wrote: some of these newer refers have a ice room in the fresh food compartment
I guess I've been out of the appliance market so long, I don't know what this means. My fridge has an ice maker in the freezer drawer (on the bottom) and it looks pretty much like they always have.
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Likewise - I am afraid that I would not purchase one with the ice keeper contained in the fresh food section. I believe that it belongs in the freezer compartment, only.
Otherwise - my fridge is perking along nicely since installation. It has a nearly constant 35 or 36 degree fridge temps and freezer hoovers at or around the zero mark. The ice maker is now full and I am just letting it run (and I will leave it run all winter).
Just finished up with the insulation and sealing of the old Norcold access panel (the outside vented access panel). It has been spray foamed internally and sealed and a very small lip of foam door seal applied to the outside part - it is sealed because the fridge draws its air from internal source and exhausts that warmed air out through the bottom over the top of the drain pan.
I am just now in the process of compacting the portable stand (for when, or if, I ever need to slide the fridge out of its spot). The plywood will be 29 inches long and wide, hinged in the middle where it carries no weight, and the legs will be hinged and braced. Then I can easily stow it in a bay.
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Next time your in Lowes or home depot sears pull some doors open on the fresh food section Some models Samsung, Maytag, and others have what they call a Ice Room they have a duct running from the freezer to that section. LG ice rooms are on the door.
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