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Posted: 09/26/11 02:15pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

DirtyOil wrote:

ib516 wrote:

It will likely need a power steering pump soon, it has been acting up


ib516, don't know if you are aware or not, but I would check the high pressure hose off the pump. They can have a small pin hole in them, the fluid runs down the hose towards the pump. The pump may look like its leaking. I would have the truck running and get DW to turn the wheel one way then back, look for small stream of fluid or "wet" spots on the hose. I thought I had a bad pump as well, turned to be a leaking high pressure hose.


Please be careful checking for high pressure leaks. Do NOT run your finger down the hose to see if you can find it. It is very painful and dangerous if you would happen to find it and get some fluid "injected" into your finger..

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I would expect that if you went to any dealership and ask a tech 'what do see constantly needing repair' ?
The answer would be "dagnabit (pick a brand) are all I ever see"
distorted ? you bet.

Your missing the point hone eagle. Certain engines have common problems.
For the 7.3 it was the CPS. For the LB7 it was injectors. For the 6.0 it was coolers and head gaskets. For the 6.4 it was coolers and catastrophic engine failure.

Some common problems are cheap and easy to fix like the CPS. It's a $50 part and can be fixed on the road in about 10 minutes.

Some like the LB7 are VERY expensive to fix. It was 5 grand for a friend of mine last month to replace his injectors. For the 6.0 it's anywhere from 3 to 5K to fix cooler and head gasket problems. Fuel system problems for the 6.4 can cost anywhere from 9 to 16+ grand depending on what it takes out.

Not saying your wrong by any means
Its just that the internet is a plum perfect filter of bitterness and anger

Like I said, it's not the brand but the year and model of the engine that is important. I would not own a LB7 unless the injectors were updated before I bought it. I would not own a 6.0 unless I could get it at a killer buy and do all the mods on it to make it a dependable engine. I would not own a 6.4 at all. Why? Because the tech's I talk to and hang out with tell me to stay away. Even more so than the 6.0. [emoticon] When an expert talks I shut up and listen.

Still think I'm incorrect about the engines I named? Do this. Go to any BIG Ford dealer and ask the diesel techs how many 6.0 or 6.4 engines they have replaced this year to date. Then do the same at a Dodge dealer. Come back and report your findings. [emoticon]



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Just keep in mind there are more Ford HD's in each year of production than the GM or Dodge counterparts. Higher percentage of the marketshare is going to equal higher percentage of failures, all else being equal. That sure doesn't help any 6.4 owner out that is having to spring for a new engine, luckily that seems to be the exception, not the rule. The more reading I do the more it seems to be a higher number of 6.4 failures than I'd expect, and that sucks. [emoticon]


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For the premium of diesel engines they need to close to bullet-proof. Anything less is absurd. All the engines offered in the 3500 series will pull anything on this board (yes -- even a 5.7 liter hemi)but charging $8k extra and it only lasting 100,000 miles is BS....


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Being a Ford Senior Master Tech that has to repair these beasts on a daily basis, I would not own a 6.4 with any mileage. If you do I would not recommend keeping them past warranty expiration or expect any help from Ford past warranty expires as they get none from Navastar. This engine is a ticking time bomb and way worse than the 6.0 ever was. They are a absolute nightmare to work on and diagnose and small things take out big things. The main issue with them is the lack of maintenance schedules some owners keep, emission system, fuel system and cooling systems which when combined it is taking out the base engine. The bottom end design of the 6.4 engine is almost exactly like the 6.0 and we never had the major engine failures with the 6.0s. Keep a eye on the oil levels getting over full from the regen events, keep the coolant full and clean any you may not have the huge engine repairs. Injection system and cooling system failures just seem to be the luck of the draw and will take the whole engine out very quickly.


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I'm glad I only have 6 cylinders to worry about...

That said, I also glad I don't have to lift the cab to do any work on my little ole 6 banger..hehehehe


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roamerr wrote:

For the premium of diesel engines they need to close to bullet-proof. Anything less is absurd. All the engines offered in the 3500 series will pull anything on this board (yes -- even a 5.7 liter hemi)but charging $8k extra and it only lasting 100,000 miles is BS....


I agree with you 100% My last 3 trucks have all been diesels, and I would really like to have my next truck be a diesel. With that said, it almost doesn't make sense anymore....the upfront cost is high, but would be tolerable if the engines were are reliable as their big brothers in the big trucks. The reality is that they are not...and when they break, it can cost more to fix injectors than it would cost for a long block gas engine.

I have 154k on my Excursion and I have my fingers crossed that it keeps going for another 100k or so. Nobody makes a SUV as capable as what I have, and I don't know if I want to risk one of the new diesels.


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Posted: 09/26/11 06:59pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

FordMastertech wrote:

Being a Ford Senior Master Tech that has to repair these beasts on a daily basis, I would not own a 6.4 with any mileage. If you do I would not recommend keeping them past warranty expiration or expect any help from Ford past warranty expires as they get none from Navastar. This engine is a ticking time bomb and way worse than the 6.0 ever was. They are a absolute nightmare to work on and diagnose and small things take out big things. The main issue with them is the lack of maintenance schedules some owners keep, emission system, fuel system and cooling systems which when combined it is taking out the base engine. The bottom end design of the 6.4 engine is almost exactly like the 6.0 and we never had the major engine failures with the 6.0s. Keep a eye on the oil levels getting over full from the regen events, keep the coolant full and clean any you may not have the huge engine repairs. Injection system and cooling system failures just seem to be the luck of the draw and will take the whole engine out very quickly.


You might want to switch your PM setting to buddy list only. [emoticon]
Ahh you know I'm kidding, the true Blue's are over on FTE crying in their beers. I've always been looking for oil in all the wrong places I guess.
Great post from someone who know's their *&^#.


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Being a Ford Senior Master Tech that has to repair these beasts on a daily basis, I would not own a 6.4 with any mileage. If you do I would not recommend keeping them past warranty expiration or expect any help from Ford past warranty expires as they get none from Navastar. This engine is a ticking time bomb and way worse than the 6.0 ever was. They are a absolute nightmare to work on and diagnose and small things take out big things. The main issue with them is the lack of maintenance schedules some owners keep, emission system, fuel system and cooling systems which when combined it is taking out the base engine. The bottom end design of the 6.4 engine is almost exactly like the 6.0 and we never had the major engine failures with the 6.0s. Keep a eye on the oil levels getting over full from the regen events, keep the coolant full and clean any you may not have the huge engine repairs. Injection system and cooling system failures just seem to be the luck of the draw and will take the whole engine out very quickly.


That's about all that needs to be said.


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Being a Ford Senior Master Tech that has to repair these beasts on a daily basis, I would not own a 6.4 with any mileage. If you do I would not recommend keeping them past warranty expiration or expect any help from Ford past warranty expires as they get none from Navastar. This engine is a ticking time bomb and way worse than the 6.0 ever was. They are a absolute nightmare to work on and diagnose and small things take out big things. The main issue with them is the lack of maintenance schedules some owners keep, emission system, fuel system and cooling systems which when combined it is taking out the base engine. The bottom end design of the 6.4 engine is almost exactly like the 6.0 and we never had the major engine failures with the 6.0s. Keep a eye on the oil levels getting over full from the regen events, keep the coolant full and clean any you may not have the huge engine repairs. Injection system and cooling system failures just seem to be the luck of the draw and will take the whole engine out very quickly.

Thank you FordMastertech for saying what I have been saying for a long time!!! You have just said what my tech friends have been saying for years.
Thanks again!!


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